Who can offer a better package than Brown, Smart, Crowder and 3 first rounders?

[max215]

That offer eliminates us from contention, as Gerald Green or James Young would be our starting 3. I'm all for getting Boogie, but keeping at least one of Brown, Smart, Crowder is imperative.

[tarheelsxxiii]

That offer eliminates us from contention, as Gerald Green or James Young would be our starting 3. I'm all for getting Boogie, but keeping at least one of Brown, Smart, Crowder is imperative.

Agreed, gutting the roster for Boogie is counterintuitive. Trading away our highest draft young prospects also isn't ideal, and we are seeing how much Crowder means to this team right now.

[max215]

That offer eliminates us from contention, as Gerald Green or James Young would be our starting 3. I'm all for getting Boogie, but keeping at least one of Brown, Smart, Crowder is imperative.

Agreed, gutting the roster for Boogie is counterintuitive. Trading away our highest draft young prospects also isn't ideal, and we are seeing how much Crowder means to this team right now.

Frankly, Crowder should be untouchable unless we're trading for a wing or a transcendent talent. He's too essential if we truly hope to compete.

[Csfan1984]

Id watch out for Blazers they could put together a package around CJ for Cousins and even take Gay for Crabbe or Turner if Kings want to move Gay.

[Moranis]

That offer eliminates us from contention, as Gerald Green or James Young would be our starting 3. I'm all for getting Boogie, but keeping at least one of Brown, Smart, Crowder is imperative.

I would assume Rudy Gay would come to Boston (add Zeller and Jackson for salary).

Boston would thus have a rotation of

PG - Thomas, Rozier
SG - Bradley, Smart
SF - Gay, Green, Young
PF - Horford, Johnson, Jerekbo
C - Cousins, Olynyk
with 3 open roster spots to add young guys or vets

[LarBrd33]

If a team wants unproven prospects and draft picks, Boston is one of the teams you have to call. 
Other teams like the lakers, Suns, sixers, magic, nuggets, etc can also make compelling pu-pu platters.

But this is based on an assumption that a team wants unproven prospects and draft picks which isn't always the case.  Sometimes they prefer proven talent in return.  In which case, you open things up to tons of teams.  Example... if you're talking about a deal for Cousins, our mystery box of assets might be trumped by an offer built around DeAndre Jordan.   Just depends on what the Kings are looking for.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Id watch out for Blazers they could put together a package around CJ for Cousins and even take Gay for Crabbe or Turner if Kings want to move Gay.

This is the one that I fear too for Boogie to go to. I am more on the side of Noel as the player we need. I think Young is going to become our shooter of the Bench.

[alewilliam789]

Can we stop talking about a D-Cousins trade to Boston. Last year I thought it was a possibility based off the sheer amount of draft picks and we had more depth and potential pieces to ship over. If we did do a trade like this our roster would have even less depth which is scary to think.

We'd be better off adding Nerlens Noel for so much cheaper. Watching as he fills the voids of rebounding, defense, and shotblocking that we need.

It's like this. The Clippers gave Deandre Jordan a max contract essentially for his athleticism and his ability to defend. 

Noel is actually on track to be just as good, or a better defender. In his first year Noel put up 4.2 DWS in his rookie year!!!! In Deandre Jordan's first 5 years he barely touched 3 DWS until he exploded for 5.3 in 2014. Noel's Defensive Plus Minus in his first two years in the NBA are 4.5 and 3.4 respectively. Deandre Jordan's best career DPM is 4.2. DJ was actually just as good or better as a shotblocker than Noel, statistically, when he first entered the league.

So considering that Noel is an elite defender for his age, a per 36 double digit rebounder, and improving offensive player is enough for me to give him a market sized contract to become the defensive stalwart that we need besides Horford. We are getting even more money in FA from TV deals to add potentially another FA, we still are getting 2 good prospects from overseas, and we could still have a top 5 pick in amazingly deep draft.

With the trade for Noel:
PG: Isaiah Thomas
SG: Avery Bradley
SF: Jae Crowder
PF: Nerlens Noel
C: Al Horford

That's an exciting young squad that has plenty of potential.

[The One]

Zach Lowe thinks that Danny wants Boogie but Brad does not.

Just listened to his podcast.

[tarheelsxxiii]

That offer eliminates us from contention, as Gerald Green or James Young would be our starting 3. I'm all for getting Boogie, but keeping at least one of Brown, Smart, Crowder is imperative.

Agreed, gutting the roster for Boogie is counterintuitive. Trading away our highest draft young prospects also isn't ideal, and we are seeing how much Crowder means to this team right now.

Frankly, Crowder should be untouchable unless we're trading for a wing or a transcendent talent. He's too essential if we truly hope to compete.

You're untouchable, max.  I wouldn't trade you for Boogie, straight-up.

[alldaboston]

Zach Lowe thinks that Danny wants Boogie but Brad does not.

Just listened to his podcast.

Really? I would think it was the other way around. Remember last year when Danny said something along the lines of "we don't want anyone that's gonna be an issue in the locker room". Or something like that. Hell, maybe neither wants his attitude problems haha

[BitterJim]

Can we stop talking about a D-Cousins trade to Boston. Last year I thought it was a possibility based off the sheer amount of draft picks and we had more depth and potential pieces to ship over. If we did do a trade like this our roster would have even less depth which is scary to think.

We'd be better off adding Nerlens Noel for so much cheaper. Watching as he fills the voids of rebounding, defense, and shotblocking that we need.

It's like this. The Clippers gave Deandre Jordan a max contract essentially for his athleticism and his ability to defend. 

Noel is actually on track to be just as good, or a better defender. In his first year Noel put up 4.2 DWS in his rookie year!!!! In Deandre Jordan's first 5 years he barely touched 3 DWS until he exploded for 5.3 in 2014. Noel's Defensive Plus Minus in his first two years in the NBA are 4.5 and 3.4 respectively. Deandre Jordan's best career DPM is 4.2. DJ was actually just as good or better as a shotblocker than Noel, statistically, when he first entered the league.

So considering that Noel is an elite defender for his age, a per 36 double digit rebounder, and improving offensive player is enough for me to give him a market sized contract to become the defensive stalwart that we need besides Horford. We are getting even more money in FA from TV deals to add potentially another FA, we still are getting 2 good prospects from overseas, and we could still have a top 5 pick in amazingly deep draft.

With the trade for Noel:
PG: Isaiah Thomas
SG: Avery Bradley
SF: Jae Crowder
PF: Nerlens Noel
C: Al Horford

That's an exciting young squad that has plenty of potential.

Nerlens Noel is not a good rebounder.  He's average at best, about on the level of Amir Johnson (if you look at their rebound rates, Amir is a slightly better offensive rebounder while Noel is slightly better defensive, they work out to be about the same overall. I had a post a couple of weeks ago comparing them and Okafor, I can find it again later of anyone wants to see it)

Deandre Jordan got a max contract after averaging 11.5 points and 15.0 rebounds per game, making the All NBA 3rd team, 1st NBA all defensive team, being 3rd in DPOY voting, and leading the league in FG% (at 71.3%).  He wasn't just "athletic" and "able to defend", he's a top 2 or 3 rebounder in the NBA, a top 5 defensive player, a great finisher, and a top 5 center overall.  You're selling him short to a ridiculous degree

Noel averaged 9.9 rbd/36 last year and 9.5 the year before.  That is not double digits.  He's not actually a good rebounder.  Maybe he'd get it up to double digits this year, but we don't know because he has yet to play an actual game (which is another issue with trading for him - he's damaged gods right now; on the other hand, though, that may lower his price)

If the season ended today we wouldn't have enough money to keep Olynyk and sign a max FA, and Noel's cap hit will be even bigger. We can't sign him to whatever money he wants and sign a good FA unless we get rid of someone like IT, AB, or Crowder (and no, having his bird rights does not help, since his cap hit will be too big)

[alldaboston]

Can we stop talking about a D-Cousins trade to Boston. Last year I thought it was a possibility based off the sheer amount of draft picks and we had more depth and potential pieces to ship over. If we did do a trade like this our roster would have even less depth which is scary to think.

We'd be better off adding Nerlens Noel for so much cheaper. Watching as he fills the voids of rebounding, defense, and shotblocking that we need.

It's like this. The Clippers gave Deandre Jordan a max contract essentially for his athleticism and his ability to defend. 

Noel is actually on track to be just as good, or a better defender. In his first year Noel put up 4.2 DWS in his rookie year!!!! In Deandre Jordan's first 5 years he barely touched 3 DWS until he exploded for 5.3 in 2014. Noel's Defensive Plus Minus in his first two years in the NBA are 4.5 and 3.4 respectively. Deandre Jordan's best career DPM is 4.2. DJ was actually just as good or better as a shotblocker than Noel, statistically, when he first entered the league.

So considering that Noel is an elite defender for his age, a per 36 double digit rebounder, and improving offensive player is enough for me to give him a market sized contract to become the defensive stalwart that we need besides Horford. We are getting even more money in FA from TV deals to add potentially another FA, we still are getting 2 good prospects from overseas, and we could still have a top 5 pick in amazingly deep draft.

With the trade for Noel:
PG: Isaiah Thomas
SG: Avery Bradley
SF: Jae Crowder
PF: Nerlens Noel
C: Al Horford

That's an exciting young squad that has plenty of potential.

Nerlens Noel is not a good rebounder.  He's average at best, about on the level of Amir Johnson (if you look at their rebound rates, Amir is a slightly better offensive rebounder while Noel is slightly better defensive, they work out to be about the same overall. I had a post a couple of weeks ago comparing them and Okafor, I can find it again later of anyone wants to see it)

Deandre Jordan got a max contract after averaging 11.5 points and 15.0 rebounds per game, making the All NBA 3rd team, 1st NBA all defensive team, being 3rd in DPOY voting, and leading the league in FG% (at 71.3%).  He wasn't just "athletic" and "able to defend", he's a top 2 or 3 rebounder in the NBA, a top 5 defensive player, a great finisher, and a top 5 center overall.  You're selling him short to a ridiculous degree

Noel averaged 9.9 rbd/36 last year and 9.5 the year before.  That is not double digits.  He's not actually a good rebounder.  Maybe he'd get it up to double digits this year, but we don't know because he has yet to play an actual game (which is another issue with trading for him - he's damaged gods right now; on the other hand, though, that may lower his price)

If the season ended today we wouldn't have enough money to keep Olynyk and sign a max FA, and Noel's cap hit will be even bigger. We can't sign him to whatever money he wants and sign a good FA unless we get rid of someone like IT, AB, or Crowder (and no, having his bird rights does not help, since his cap hit will be too big)

dannnng, Jim effectively disproved every single point the other dude made. well done, and i agree with everything you said. TP

[SHAQATTACK]

For who ?

[Phantom255x]

I think the Lakers could. I mean, maybe two of Ingram/Randle/Russell/Clarkson, their future picks could rival the possible deal..

Now would either the Lakers or Celtics do those respective deals, I highly doubt it.

Getting a guy like AD would be huge, but at the expense of a good chunk of the roster (and future picks).

In Boston's case, you're pretty much packaging away our whole defense (besides Bradley) and becoming a team similar to OKC (one superstar + decent players), which clearly isn't enough to contend still.