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Assuming you can trade virtually the same package for either, who would you prefer?

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Willie
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WCS or Noel?
« on: November 11, 2016, 08:23:11 PM »

Offline D Dub

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Thought I'd start a poll, based on discussion in the other thread. 

Both seem to have upside, and both seem available.  Who's do you like more?  Why?

Honestly, the way we are D-ing up right now, our team could really use a defensive big. 
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Re: WCS or Noel?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2016, 08:37:46 PM »

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Willie better contract and defensive range.
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Re: WCS or Noel?
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2016, 09:05:46 PM »

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Noel is a rental. No thanks.
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Re: WCS or Noel?
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2016, 09:17:04 PM »

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It'd depend on what the cost is for each player.

But if the cost was equal, I'd prefer WCS due to the fact he has more years remaining on his rookie contract.

Noel hasn't done anywhere near enough to prove he's going to be worth a long term contract, it's a big risk to give up assets for a guy who hasn't really developed his game much.  At least with WCS you have a few more years to make such a decision.
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Re: WCS or Noel?
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2016, 09:22:44 PM »

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Noel.  He wouldn't be a rental.  We could acquire him and still have money for a max contract this summer even with his 11 mil cap hold.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2016, 10:16:11 PM »

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Quote from: Csfan1984 on November 11, 2016, 08:37:46 PM
Willie better contract and defensive range.

Just no.

Contract is fair, but defensive range is not even close. Nerlens has been a better player than WCS at every level on both ends of the court.
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2016, 09:32:37 AM »

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 Noel. Even after 3 season (well.. 2 seasons since he hasn't played single game this season..) Noel is still younger than WCS and Noel's pts, reb, stl and blk per 36 min are better than WCS.
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2016, 09:45:19 AM »

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Quote from: RAAAAAAAANDY on November 11, 2016, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: Csfan1984 on November 11, 2016, 08:37:46 PM
Willie better contract and defensive range.

Just no.

Contract is fair, but defensive range is not even close. Nerlens has been a better player than WCS at every level on both ends of the court.
No right back.

WCS at least doesn't go for steals above the 3pt line letting guys drive past him. WCS usually goes ice technic when on a guard and let's his length bother the shot. Noel is too aggressive. Also WCS does better staying with people on switches. Noel is a better offensive player due to put backs from better rebounding and better filling lanes.
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2016, 10:03:30 AM »

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Quote from: LarBrd33 on November 11, 2016, 09:22:44 PM
Noel.  He wouldn't be a rental.  We could acquire him and still have money for a max contract this summer even with his 11 mil cap hold.
We might not have room for a max contract with just the cap holds for Olynyk  and the Nets 1st.  We certainly wouldn't have room for a max contract if we add Noel. 
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2016, 11:03:49 AM »

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WCS and Rudy Gay. Need a bench scorer, too. Gay is now a reasonable contract.
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2016, 11:38:37 AM »

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Just read that WCS may not be available. Which could mean Cousins is. But also just read really quickly that he had a post game blow up on the court. I would love to believe that IT,Horford,Crowder and Stevens can reign in the bad attitude, but it still would make me nervous.
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2016, 11:42:45 AM »

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All things being equal (cost, salary etc) its Noel.
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2016, 12:42:55 PM »

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By RPM last season Noel was the better defender by a good bit, but worse offensively.  Noel had a slight edge overall.  WCS rated as one of the worst defensive centers in the league, not a good sign for a player with his skill set.
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2016, 12:59:11 PM »

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WCS, his salary is less and he doesn't have the same injury concerns.

Noel is liable to get hurt right after you sign him to a big contract.
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Re: WCS or Noel?
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2016, 09:23:04 PM »

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Quote from: Csfan1984 on November 12, 2016, 09:45:19 AM
Quote from: RAAAAAAAANDY on November 11, 2016, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: Csfan1984 on November 11, 2016, 08:37:46 PM
Willie better contract and defensive range.

Just no.

Contract is fair, but defensive range is not even close. Nerlens has been a better player than WCS at every level on both ends of the court.
No right back.

WCS at least doesn't go for steals above the 3pt line letting guys drive past him. WCS usually goes ice technic when on a guard and let's his length bother the shot. Noel is too aggressive. Also WCS does better staying with people on switches. Noel is a better offensive player due to put backs from better rebounding and better filling lanes.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Nerlens is one of the better PnR defenders in the NBA. He's more mobile than Cauley Stein, and just about every other big out there. Cauley Stein basically can't get on the court this year, do you know why he ices? Because that's all he can do. They played together in college, and it was as obvious then as it is now that Noel was much better.

Opponents are scoring 11 more points per 100 with WCS on the court this year, and he was a negative last year too. Nerlens Noel has been a massive positive for the Sixers both years on that front, even given that he spent a lot of last year out of position. Heck as a rookie they were a top 5 level defense when he was on the court despite having Ish Smith and Isaiah Canaan as perimeter defenders for like 1/3 of the year.

It's not even worth discussing, as a rookie Noel anchored a defense that spent most of the season in the top 10 till they lost most of their wing defense. WCS has done.... Nothing
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