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Re: So When Is It Time to Revisit the Smart / Randle Thing?
« Reply #75 on: March 13, 2017, 10:32:46 AM »

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I know salary context is all out of whack with the cap exploding, but it'd still be shocking to me if Marcus Smart pulled in 20 million a year. And even though I like Smart I'd probably be pretty angry if it came from us.


Yeah, I have a hard time looking at the numbers they are suggesting for a lot of those players. 



At some point, the cap explosion catches up and teams will not throw out such big numbers for players that are not stars. 

Re: So When Is It Time to Revisit the Smart / Randle Thing?
« Reply #76 on: March 13, 2017, 10:35:30 AM »

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I know salary context is all out of whack with the cap exploding, but it'd still be shocking to me if Marcus Smart pulled in 20 million a year. And even though I like Smart I'd probably be pretty angry if it came from us.


Yeah, I have a hard time looking at the numbers they are suggesting for a lot of those players. 



At some point, the cap explosion catches up and teams will not throw out such big numbers for players that are not stars.
20 million is basically 2/3 max, that is just too much for Smart unless he takes a giant leap forward next year (and then 20 million seems like the best he could do, not something you extend him for this summer). 
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Re: So When Is It Time to Revisit the Smart / Randle Thing?
« Reply #77 on: March 13, 2017, 11:22:07 AM »

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I'm with you on the Smart/Randle thing

Even with Randle missing a whole season with injury he looks like a real player

We also need to revisit

The James young over Gary Harris thing
The Fab Melo over Draymond Green Thing
The Jr Giddens over DeAndre Jordan thing

1. Nuggets have done nothing and will continue to do nothing. Congrats on drafting Harris
2. Dubs got lucky with a 2nd rounder who flourishes on a two with two all-nba players. Lucky. If DA missed so bad, why wasn't he taken at 7 or 30 by Golden State?
3. Clippers have done nothing and will continue to do nothing. Congrats on drafting Jordan

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Re: So When Is It Time to Revisit the Smart / Randle Thing?
« Reply #78 on: March 13, 2017, 11:52:14 AM »

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I'm with you on the Smart/Randle thing

Even with Randle missing a whole season with injury he looks like a real player

We also need to revisit

The James young over Gary Harris thing
The Fab Melo over Draymond Green Thing
The Jr Giddens over DeAndre Jordan thing

1. Nuggets have done nothing and will continue to do nothing. Congrats on drafting Harris
2. Dubs got lucky with a 2nd rounder who flourishes on a two with two all-nba players. Lucky. If DA missed so bad, why wasn't he taken at 7 or 30 by Golden State?
3. Clippers have done nothing and will continue to do nothing. Congrats on drafting Jordan

So I guess Ainge gets no credit for the IT trade, since the Celtics have done less than nothing (IE at least the Clippers made the second round).
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Re: So When Is It Time to Revisit the Smart / Randle Thing?
« Reply #79 on: March 13, 2017, 12:00:37 PM »

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Hindsight is always 20-20.

This is a futile game of "see I'm right, and you're wrong" 

We don't have Randall, we do have Smart. 

Re: So When Is It Time to Revisit the Smart / Randle Thing?
« Reply #80 on: March 13, 2017, 12:14:12 PM »

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The Lakers blog has a topic called:
 So When Is It Time to Revisit the Ingram / Brown Thing?

 ;)

Can you link that?  Thanks!

Re: So When Is It Time to Revisit the Smart / Randle Thing?
« Reply #81 on: March 13, 2017, 12:15:56 PM »

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The Lakers blog has a topic called:
 So When Is It Time to Revisit the Ingram / Brown Thing?

 ;)

Can you link that?  Thanks!
I was joking

Re: So When Is It Time to Revisit the Smart / Randle Thing?
« Reply #82 on: March 13, 2017, 01:39:21 PM »

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The Lakers blog has a topic called:
 So When Is It Time to Revisit the Ingram / Brown Thing?

 ;)

Can you link that?  Thanks!
I was joking

Ha!  TP for you!  I'm dense.  Or else I really think Brown has a chance to be much better than Ingram.

Re: So When Is It Time to Revisit the Smart / Randle Thing?
« Reply #83 on: March 13, 2017, 01:47:12 PM »

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I think the discussion is over and I don't really see how you could prefer Randle over Smart at this point.  They're both about as good as each other (high-end role players with significant limitations), but Smart plays a role that is valuable in the modern NBA, whereas Randle doesn't.


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Re: So When Is It Time to Revisit the Smart / Randle Thing?
« Reply #84 on: March 13, 2017, 02:08:00 PM »

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Smart was the Smart pick,

Randle does not fit on any team but the Grizzlies.


Re: So When Is It Time to Revisit the Smart / Randle Thing?
« Reply #85 on: March 14, 2017, 09:11:09 AM »

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both very flawed players, I pick Zach Lavine.

Re: So When Is It Time to Revisit the Smart / Randle Thing?
« Reply #86 on: March 14, 2017, 10:12:44 AM »

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The Lakers blog has a topic called:
 So When Is It Time to Revisit the Ingram / Brown Thing?

 ;)

Can you link that?  Thanks!
I was joking

Ha!  TP for you!  I'm dense.  Or else I really think Brown has a chance to be much better than Ingram.

I think it is 50 50 which one ends up better at this point

Re: So When Is It Time to Revisit the Smart / Randle Thing?
« Reply #87 on: March 14, 2017, 11:10:16 AM »

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To me the real bad draft by Danny was Giddens.

Fab Melo was a long, big guy who can block shots. Plus he had 2 picks so he took a risk with the second after getting a steal at the first. Didn't work out but you could see why he was drafted. I think it was Melo or Ezeli, and Melo had more potential while Ezeli had better floor. Didn't work out but good try.

James Young was projected to be a big guard who can shoot and was young. Upside is the key. Nurkic went to the previous slot and Harris had more physical limitation than Young. Again another shoot for the fences that didn't work out.

Kelly Olynyk was considered a safe pick, while Giannis was a shoot for the stars kind. This time Ainge choose the safer option, but was on the wrong side of it. Olynyk still outplayed his draft slot though.

Giddens meanwhile was a huge question mark. He was from a smaller program, had question marks on his attitude, who wasn't polished and relied on his athleticism. These kind of guys you pick for the upside, but there was the problem that Giddens was an older rookie.


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« Reply #88 on: March 14, 2017, 11:28:34 AM »

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I don't think KO outplayed his draft slot at all.  I think he goes around 15 in a re-draft, a couple of slots behind where he actually went.  He would go ahead of plenty of players taken in front of him, but there are a lot of guys that went after him that would go ahead of him in a redraft (including someone like Covington that wasn't even drafted). 
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Re: So When Is It Time to Revisit the Smart / Randle Thing?
« Reply #89 on: March 14, 2017, 11:48:50 AM »

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I don't think KO outplayed his draft slot at all.  I think he goes around 15 in a re-draft, a couple of slots behind where he actually went.  He would go ahead of plenty of players taken in front of him, but there are a lot of guys that went after him that would go ahead of him in a redraft (including someone like Covington that wasn't even drafted).

Would you mind posting the 14 or so players you have ahead of him from the 2013 draft? I can see like 7 that definitely go ahead of him, but I don't even see enough guys that have an argument for going ahead of Kelly in a redraft to put him at 15
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