So do we let IT and Avery walk as free agents after next season?

[chambers]

This season, next season. That's all we've got left of Avery and IT taking up their combined $14-$15 million of our cap room. They are arguably the best value/bargain starting guard combo in the NBA (salary cap wise).
But what offers will they get and at what point do we let them walk?

It makes me think that Danny will not trade Rozier or Smart unless an absolute jackpot offer comes along, because soon enough they may be the starting guard tandem.

So at what point do we let them walk? I feel like they are both going to want way more than we should pay them.
Avery is looking at around at least $15-$17 million per year. (some even think over 20 million).
IT is looking at $20+ Million per year.

What do we do?

[otherdave]

I think AB just keeps getting better and better, adding things to his overall game.  Younger than IT, great defensive and overall glue guy.  I think you keep him, even if that means paying him what he is worth.

IT is built for regular season, not late rounds of the playoffs - lack of height is such a liability (sorry), plus he will be no spring chicken at end of his contract.  He is the one I would try to trade before we have to let him walk.

Future back court of AB, MS, TR.

I am also not sure if we can afford KO next summer and still maintain financial flexibility.  I think that is why DA quickly signed Ryan Kelly last week.  Ryan is a less talented version of KO.

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[TrueFan]

AB and IT will get a better offer then Evan Turner did which will make it difficult for Ainge to balance the team and cap unless Wyc doesn't mind spending 130 mil per year 3-4 years from now.

[tazzmaniac]

Smart will be an RFA in two years also.  If he improves his shooting, he could be looking at 15M per year.  I think IT will be the odd man out. 

[JBcat]

It's far from a given that Smart and Rozier can be our starting backcourt of the future. 

Smart struggled when he started last year, although he looks improved this preseason.  Rozier has a lot to prove that he can be a starting quality PG for a good team over a long season.

I say if we land a big star let's say Griffin in FA it makes more sense to re-sign Thomas and Bradley with their bird rights and go over the cap.  If we have basically the same team 2 years from now it's a little less clear.

I like them both but neither one of them are so good where if a good trade presented itself for an upgrade that you would pass on.

[Tr1boy]

IT imo is the odd man out... it will be like the ET situation all over again

IT: I want to stay. Lets get a deal done. But I have been underpaid. Bring out the brink trucks

Danny:  15 million per year for 3-4 years (even with the raised cap)

In the end I bet a team like the Pelicans offer him a 4 year 18-20 million per season. And IT walks

And this will be a sure case if the Celts cant escape the 1st round again

[Evantime34]

This season, next season. That's all we've got left of Avery and IT taking up their combined $14-$15 million of our cap room. They are arguably the best value/bargain starting guard combo in the NBA (salary cap wise).
But what offers will they get and at what point do we let them walk?

It makes me think that Danny will not trade Rozier or Smart unless an absolute jackpot offer comes along, because soon enough they may be the starting guard tandem.

So at what point do we let them walk? I feel like they are both going to want way more than we should pay them.
Avery is looking at around at least $15-$17 million per year. (some even think over 20 million).
IT is looking at $20+ Million per year.

What do we do?

We go above the cap to keep them. If we let them walk we lose them for nothing. We can pay them and still deal them in the future.

[incoherent]

IT is good as gone. 

Bradley we will pay to keep.

[billysan]

IT is good as gone. 

Bradley we will pay to keep.

Agree here.

IT will be overpaid most likley  by someone else. Keep Bradley  for his all around game.

All we need is Smart or Rozier to step up or grow up and IT is expendable.

That is still  a formidable backcourt.

[alldaboston]

IT is good as gone. 

Bradley we will pay to keep.

Agree here.

IT will be overpaid most likley  by someone else. Keep Bradley  for his all around game.

All we need is Smart or Rozier to step up or grow up and IT is expendable.

That is still  a formidable backcourt.

Why is that? Other teams won't want to pay him a max for the same reasons that we won't want to pay him a max. I'm OK with signing him for like 15-18 million for 3 years once his contract is up though. I seriously doubt he get a max offer anywhere. Other teams have had the same concerns about him, currently have the same concerns about him, and will continue to have the same concerns about him.

Otherwise, he would have easily gotten a much better offer than the one he got from Phoenix after he averaged like 20 and 6 in his third year. Teams like his skill set, but also won't dish out money to him because of his stature. I think he ends up staying in Boston.

[A Future of Stevens]

This season, next season. That's all we've got left of Avery and IT taking up their combined $14-$15 million of our cap room. They are arguably the best value/bargain starting guard combo in the NBA (salary cap wise).
But what offers will they get and at what point do we let them walk?

It makes me think that Danny will not trade Rozier or Smart unless an absolute jackpot offer comes along, because soon enough they may be the starting guard tandem.

So at what point do we let them walk? I feel like they are both going to want way more than we should pay them.
Avery is looking at around at least $15-$17 million per year. (some even think over 20 million).
IT is looking at $20+ Million per year.

What do we do?

We go above the cap to keep them. If we let them walk we lose them for nothing. We can pay them and still deal them in the future.

But isnt the idea there that we would be paying them, and limit our flexibility? Say we paid IT4 a huge contract to keep him here, then a megastar wants to come here. But we cant because we gave the brinks truck to IT4.

At that point we may even have to GIVE assets to dump his contract on a team that is under the cap enough that we wouldnt have to match salaries (in effect making a salary dump useless.)

[Tr1boy]

IT is good as gone. 

Bradley we will pay to keep.

Agree here.

IT will be overpaid most likley  by someone else. Keep Bradley  for his all around game.

All we need is Smart or Rozier to step up or grow up and IT is expendable.

That is still  a formidable backcourt.

Why is that? Other teams won't want to pay him a max for the same reasons that we won't want to pay him a max. I'm OK with signing him for like 15-18 million for 3 years once his contract is up though. I seriously doubt he get a max offer anywhere. Other teams have had the same concerns about him, currently have the same concerns about him, and will continue to have the same concerns about him.

Otherwise, he would have easily gotten a much better offer than the one he got from Phoenix after he averaged like 20 and 6 in his third year. Teams like his skill set, but also won't dish out money to him because of his stature. I think he ends up staying in Boston.

Well same can be said about ET, Ryan Anderson and they got paid larger amounts by somebody else

IT getting a few million dollars more or one additional will mean he wont be back

If Rozier and Smart can play as expected, there wont be urgency to keep IT for the long run... plus his attitude that he needs to start wont make things go smoothly....

Can you imagine IT reaction when cbs tells him rozier will be starting or rozier ends the the game and he has to come off the bench?

[Moranis]

Depends on what they really want and the state of the Celtics.  Boston isn't going to pay 125 million for a team like now that isn't a real contender.

[clover]

The C's will be over the cap by the time their contracts are up anyway.