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Re: 2016-17 Golden State Warriors Thread
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2016, 12:54:54 AM »

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rebounding might be a theme for this team...
a bigger takeaway might be that having two star 7 footers next to each other might still have the capacity to work in the modern NBA.  Someone tell Philly told hold off moving okafor until they get a chance to see him next to Embiid.

Seriously? How is this sort of thing allowed?

Lol. TP. Also, the Utah-Portland game just exemplifies how Dario Saric can make Philly lethal.
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Re: 2016-17 Golden State Warriors Thread
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2016, 01:01:43 AM »

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They were disseminated on the boards all night, Lack of a rim protector showed and no bench means they will struggle consistently.

There will be games where 1 of the stars will take over and that will be enough but against a great defensive team their weakness can be exploited.

Then again Klay looked a little off, Green wasn't as aggressive and it's only 1 game

expect them to figure it out and get better. No point peaking now plus they missed some very getable shots in the first half

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2016, 01:07:50 AM »

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It's pretty hard not to overreact like this after one game. I do think bogut was underrated for the dimension he added to them. I think they will trade for one better big man even if it is someone at peak level Erik dampier level

Re: 2016-17 Golden State Warriors Thread
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2016, 01:16:08 AM »

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rebounding might be a theme for this team...
a bigger takeaway might be that having two star 7 footers next to each other might still have the capacity to work in the modern NBA.  Someone tell Philly told hold off moving okafor until they get a chance to see him next to Embiid.

Seriously? How is this sort of thing allowed?

Lol. TP. Also, the Utah-Portland game just exemplifies how Dario Saric can make Philly lethal.

This was pretty good

Re: 2016-17 Golden State Warriors Thread
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2016, 01:27:41 AM »

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I'm hoping that Dray grows into a full locker room cancer.  He's grown into maybe my least favorite player in the NBA.

I have the same sentiment. I'm fine with the Splash bros but KD and Draymond make this Dubs team hateable for me.
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Re: 2016-17 Golden State Warriors Thread
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2016, 01:29:52 AM »

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Stop it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0lr63y4Mw

The box score suggests Steph and Klay had jitters/ felt insecure alongside a superior player.  There has to be an adjustment period, but they'll end up wreaking havoc.
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Re: Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2016, 01:33:26 AM »

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It's pretty hard not to overreact like this after one game. I do think bogut was underrated for the dimension he added to them. I think they will trade for one better big man even if it is someone at peak level Erik dampier level
They have very little to trade so don't see how they get even a decent big man. 

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« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2016, 01:33:54 AM »

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I'm gonna discuss the warriors here lol. Seems my comments in the other thread keep getting "deleted"...

I also do think Bogut was underrated for them. They also lost some depth this offseason. But they'll figure it out soon. The Spurs are a good team as well. If this had happened at the hands of a team like Dallas or Detroit or something, then they'd have to be worried. But it's the Spurs. They're always good.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2016, 02:01:24 AM »

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Where is javale?
Imagine is someone told you 12 months ago that Javale McGee would end up being a critical piece of GSW this year.
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Re: 2016-17 Golden State Warriors Thread
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2016, 02:32:44 AM »

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Durant had 27 points on 11-18 shooting.  Steph had 26 points on 9-18 shooting.   Green had 18 points on 7-15 shooting.   Klay had 11 on 5-13 shooting and was 1-6 from three... perhaps the worst performance of the 4 All-NBA players.  But they put up 100 points against a top 3 team coming off a 67 win season.  Nothing there suggests those guys are going to struggle to coexist offensively.  They did, however, get dominated on the boards by one of the league's uniquely large teams.  55 to 35 on rebounds.  They can't easily solve their size problem, but it should be noted that a lot of people felt they matched up poorly with San Antonio last year as well.  Size problem isn't a problem with the vast majority of the league going small.  Warriors also turned the ball over 16 times and shot an uncharacteristic 21% from three.   Those are things that are understandable given it's the first real game this group has played with Durant.   Even though they mesh exceptionally well, there's still a necessary adjustment period as the team shifts from having the guy in the Barnes slot go from the #4 to the #1 option.

Anyways... Spurs are a great team.  Best not to read too much into the first game of a season.  Remember when Pitino's Celtics won opening night against Jordan's Bulls coming off their 5th championship on their way to title 6?

Re: 2016-17 Golden State Warriors Thread
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2016, 02:39:06 AM »

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Durant had 27 points on 11-18 shooting.  Steph had 26 points on 9-18 shooting.   Green had 18 points on 7-15 shooting.   Klay had 11 on 5-13 shooting and was 1-6 from three... perhaps the worst performance of the 4 All-NBA players.  But they put up 100 points against a top 3 team coming off a 67 win season.  Nothing there suggests those guys are going to struggle to coexist offensively.  They did, however, get dominated on the boards by one of the league's uniquely large teams.  55 to 35 on rebounds.  They can't easily solve their size problem, but it should be noted that a lot of people felt they matched up poorly with San Antonio last year as well.  Size problem isn't a problem with the vast majority of the league going small.  Warriors also turned the ball over 16 times and shot an uncharacteristic 21% from three.   Those are things that are understandable given it's the first real game this group has played with Durant.   Even though they mesh exceptionally well, there's still a necessary adjustment period as the team shifts from having the guy in the Barnes slot go from the #4 to the #1 option.

Anyways... Spurs are a great team.  Best not to read too much into the first game of a season.  Remember when Pitino's Celtics won opening night against Jordan's Bulls coming off their 5th championship on their way to title 6?

I have a feeling their woes will just continues against solid team. They will have their moments against defensively inferior teams. But will struggle against teams with elite rebounding and perimeter defense.

Re: 2016-17 Golden State Warriors Thread
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2016, 02:44:28 AM »

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Durant had 27 points on 11-18 shooting.  Steph had 26 points on 9-18 shooting.   Green had 18 points on 7-15 shooting.   Klay had 11 on 5-13 shooting and was 1-6 from three... perhaps the worst performance of the 4 All-NBA players.  But they put up 100 points against a top 3 team coming off a 67 win season.  Nothing there suggests those guys are going to struggle to coexist offensively.  They did, however, get dominated on the boards by one of the league's uniquely large teams.  55 to 35 on rebounds.  They can't easily solve their size problem, but it should be noted that a lot of people felt they matched up poorly with San Antonio last year as well.  Size problem isn't a problem with the vast majority of the league going small.  Warriors also turned the ball over 16 times and shot an uncharacteristic 21% from three.   Those are things that are understandable given it's the first real game this group has played with Durant.   Even though they mesh exceptionally well, there's still a necessary adjustment period as the team shifts from having the guy in the Barnes slot go from the #4 to the #1 option.

Anyways... Spurs are a great team.  Best not to read too much into the first game of a season.  Remember when Pitino's Celtics won opening night against Jordan's Bulls coming off their 5th championship on their way to title 6?

That Celtics game was awesome

Re: 2016-17 Golden State Warriors Thread
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2016, 03:37:44 AM »

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Durant had 27 points on 11-18 shooting.  Steph had 26 points on 9-18 shooting.   Green had 18 points on 7-15 shooting.   Klay had 11 on 5-13 shooting and was 1-6 from three... perhaps the worst performance of the 4 All-NBA players.  But they put up 100 points against a top 3 team coming off a 67 win season.  Nothing there suggests those guys are going to struggle to coexist offensively.  They did, however, get dominated on the boards by one of the league's uniquely large teams.  55 to 35 on rebounds.  They can't easily solve their size problem, but it should be noted that a lot of people felt they matched up poorly with San Antonio last year as well.  Size problem isn't a problem with the vast majority of the league going small.  Warriors also turned the ball over 16 times and shot an uncharacteristic 21% from three.   Those are things that are understandable given it's the first real game this group has played with Durant.   Even though they mesh exceptionally well, there's still a necessary adjustment period as the team shifts from having the guy in the Barnes slot go from the #4 to the #1 option.

Anyways... Spurs are a great team.  Best not to read too much into the first game of a season.  Remember when Pitino's Celtics won opening night against Jordan's Bulls coming off their 5th championship on their way to title 6?

So, essentially you're saying that 3 out of the 4 had great games, yet they still lost by 29 points.  ;)

Look, you can't read too much into one game, and this being the first game makes this expected. BUT it absolutely does vindicate many of the suspicions that many of us Warriors doubters have been expressing all along - 1) they're significantly worse defensively, which is very problematic; 2) they're worse in rebounding, which was already an issue to begin with; and 3) they're still (and always will be) turnover-prone due to their style of play.

If they want to have any shot of coming out of a difficult Western Conference, then they will HAVE to get better defensively, because there's pretty much nothing they're going to be able to do about their rebounding and turnover issues. They've struggled to take care of the ball their entire time together - it's just an accepted unfortunate consequence of their type of play. Further, there's not much they can do on the boards either due to their commitment to be so small.

But how they're going to become better defensively is the ultimate question, because they had to get rid of their rim protection/lane clogger/interior defense when they signed Durant. They're pretty much going to have to rely on excellent team defense (especially the utilization of help defense) and perimeter defense to get by. Green and Klay help in that regard, though Klay is very overrated at times defensively, but Curry and Durant are not necessarily known as great team defenders, especially with Curry's habit of getting beat at the top of the key often.

They'll get better in time by playing with each other, but they're going to have to get significantly better over the course of the season if they think they're getting to the Finals. Your ceiling is very limited in the playoffs if you have Swiss Cheese defense.

Re: 2016-17 Golden State Warriors Thread
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2016, 04:27:05 AM »

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Durant had 27 points on 11-18 shooting.  Steph had 26 points on 9-18 shooting.   Green had 18 points on 7-15 shooting.   Klay had 11 on 5-13 shooting and was 1-6 from three... perhaps the worst performance of the 4 All-NBA players.  But they put up 100 points against a top 3 team coming off a 67 win season.  Nothing there suggests those guys are going to struggle to coexist offensively.  They did, however, get dominated on the boards by one of the league's uniquely large teams.  55 to 35 on rebounds.  They can't easily solve their size problem, but it should be noted that a lot of people felt they matched up poorly with San Antonio last year as well.  Size problem isn't a problem with the vast majority of the league going small.  Warriors also turned the ball over 16 times and shot an uncharacteristic 21% from three.   Those are things that are understandable given it's the first real game this group has played with Durant.   Even though they mesh exceptionally well, there's still a necessary adjustment period as the team shifts from having the guy in the Barnes slot go from the #4 to the #1 option.

Anyways... Spurs are a great team.  Best not to read too much into the first game of a season.  Remember when Pitino's Celtics won opening night against Jordan's Bulls coming off their 5th championship on their way to title 6?

So, essentially you're saying that 3 out of the 4 had great games, yet they still lost by 29 points.  ;)

Look, you can't read too much into one game, and this being the first game makes this expected. BUT it absolutely does vindicate many of the suspicions that many of us Warriors doubters have been expressing all along - 1) they're significantly worse defensively, which is very problematic; 2) they're worse in rebounding, which was already an issue to begin with; and 3) they're still (and always will be) turnover-prone due to their style of play.

If they want to have any shot of coming out of a difficult Western Conference, then they will HAVE to get better defensively, because there's pretty much nothing they're going to be able to do about their rebounding and turnover issues. They've struggled to take care of the ball their entire time together - it's just an accepted unfortunate consequence of their type of play. Further, there's not much they can do on the boards either due to their commitment to be so small.

But how they're going to become better defensively is the ultimate question, because they had to get rid of their rim protection/lane clogger/interior defense when they signed Durant. They're pretty much going to have to rely on excellent team defense (especially the utilization of help defense) and perimeter defense to get by. Green and Klay help in that regard, though Klay is very overrated at times defensively, but Curry and Durant are not necessarily known as great team defenders, especially with Curry's habit of getting beat at the top of the key often.

They'll get better in time by playing with each other, but they're going to have to get significantly better over the course of the season if they think they're getting to the Finals. Your ceiling is very limited in the playoffs if you have Swiss Cheese defense.

Agree.

They arguably downgraded defensively at three fairly important roster spots:

Durant for Barnes
Pachulia for Bogut
West for Ezili


Iggy is also a year older.

Pachulia (32 years old), West (36), and Varejao (34) might struggle athletically.

Toughness and speed could be a problem for this club.

Re: 2016-17 Golden State Warriors Thread
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2016, 07:53:13 AM »

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Spurs shot 50% on 3PT shots and GSW shot 21.2%.  If both teams shot 33.3%, the Spurs would have made 4 fewer 3s and GSW would have made 4 more.  That would have made it only a 5 point loss for GSW.  So I wouldn't dance on GSW's grave yet.