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Quote from: tazzmaniac on January 20, 2017, 11:55:03 PMQuote from: jpotter33 on January 20, 2017, 09:59:20 PMQuote from: tazzmaniac on January 20, 2017, 09:44:34 PMQuote from: jpotter33 on January 20, 2017, 09:30:15 PMQuote from: jpotter33 on January 20, 2017, 09:27:45 PMHoly hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lolLol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.The Sixers have a pick swap with the Kings and they also have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected). If the basketball gods give them maximum luck, the Sixers could make the playoffs and still get the #1 and #4 picks in this draft. The Kings would end up losing their pick to the Bulls and the Lakers would lose their 2017 pick to the Sixers and their 2019 pick to the Magic. Nope, the pick's status to Chicago isn't related to the Philly swap. The Kings will have to be 11th or worse on their own to send the pick to Chicago, because it's not subject to the Philly swap. So if by some miracle the Sixers make the playoffs, the Kings would have the 15th pick themselves without having to give it to Chicago.At this point, the Sixers are in real danger of losing the Lakers pick. They're the 4th worst team right now, and it seems likely that they'll tank the rest of the season to try and get that top-3 lottery position to keep their pick.And the Kings situation is really fluid right now. If they keep Cousins, then that pick is probably right there where it always is around the 7th-10th pick, which would probably end up meaning a swap with Philly. However, if they would trade Boogie to Boston, which is really the only logical option for a trade now given the context and us having the Brooklyn pick, then they very well could drop down lower to the 4th or 5th spot or so, though doubtful any lower with the couple of wins they'll pick up before they trade him.So it's a very fluid situation. Philly could have two top 5 picks at the very best scenario, which is highly unlikely, or they could get stuck with something like the 10th pick and the 15th pick with no Lakers pick at the worst case scenario, which is also unlikely.My guess is that the Lakers will ultimately get something like the third pick in the draft, meaning they keep their pick, and the Kings will land somewhere around 6th to 7th for the Philly swap, who just misses out on the playoffs with the 12th or 13th pick.EDIT: But Sacramento is really in a predicament going forward. They have no incentive to tank right now with Philly improving and playing equal ball with them with the swap rights, yet at this point their playoff potential is virtually unrealistic without Gay. They'll have to make a decision on their future direction really soon.Both the pick swap and potential loss of the pick to the Bulls are decided after the lottery occurs. The question is which takes occurs first. If the pick swap does, the Kings should lose the pick to the Bulls if it ends up outside the top 10 after the pick swap. With the 4th worst record, the Lakers would have a 37.8% chance of keeping their pick. With the 3rd worst record, the Lakers would still only have a 46.9% chance to keep the pick. There is the question of whether the Sixers would be better off having the pick roll over to an unprotected 2018 pick. It surprises me but the Kings had a team +/- of 2.3 with Gay on the court and a team +/- of -4.8 with Rudy Gay off the court. That's better than Cousins on/off numbers of 0.2 and -3.4. It is hard to see how they make up for the loss of Gay. They've also just started a brutal 8 games in 12 days road trip. They could have the 4th or 5th worst record after the road trip. This has been discussed at length on both Sactown Royalty and Liberty Ballers, and the conditional Chicago pick comes first. If the Kings don't give up the pick to the Bulls, then their obligation to them is passed onto their second round pick, regardless of where the pick swap ends. The swap then necessarily comes secondary, because it can only occur if Sacramento actually has the pick.They're screwed as it is with the pick, but if the swap did come first, then they'd be really screwed with pretty much no choice but to trade Cousins and start over.
Quote from: jpotter33 on January 20, 2017, 09:59:20 PMQuote from: tazzmaniac on January 20, 2017, 09:44:34 PMQuote from: jpotter33 on January 20, 2017, 09:30:15 PMQuote from: jpotter33 on January 20, 2017, 09:27:45 PMHoly hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lolLol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.The Sixers have a pick swap with the Kings and they also have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected). If the basketball gods give them maximum luck, the Sixers could make the playoffs and still get the #1 and #4 picks in this draft. The Kings would end up losing their pick to the Bulls and the Lakers would lose their 2017 pick to the Sixers and their 2019 pick to the Magic. Nope, the pick's status to Chicago isn't related to the Philly swap. The Kings will have to be 11th or worse on their own to send the pick to Chicago, because it's not subject to the Philly swap. So if by some miracle the Sixers make the playoffs, the Kings would have the 15th pick themselves without having to give it to Chicago.At this point, the Sixers are in real danger of losing the Lakers pick. They're the 4th worst team right now, and it seems likely that they'll tank the rest of the season to try and get that top-3 lottery position to keep their pick.And the Kings situation is really fluid right now. If they keep Cousins, then that pick is probably right there where it always is around the 7th-10th pick, which would probably end up meaning a swap with Philly. However, if they would trade Boogie to Boston, which is really the only logical option for a trade now given the context and us having the Brooklyn pick, then they very well could drop down lower to the 4th or 5th spot or so, though doubtful any lower with the couple of wins they'll pick up before they trade him.So it's a very fluid situation. Philly could have two top 5 picks at the very best scenario, which is highly unlikely, or they could get stuck with something like the 10th pick and the 15th pick with no Lakers pick at the worst case scenario, which is also unlikely.My guess is that the Lakers will ultimately get something like the third pick in the draft, meaning they keep their pick, and the Kings will land somewhere around 6th to 7th for the Philly swap, who just misses out on the playoffs with the 12th or 13th pick.EDIT: But Sacramento is really in a predicament going forward. They have no incentive to tank right now with Philly improving and playing equal ball with them with the swap rights, yet at this point their playoff potential is virtually unrealistic without Gay. They'll have to make a decision on their future direction really soon.Both the pick swap and potential loss of the pick to the Bulls are decided after the lottery occurs. The question is which takes occurs first. If the pick swap does, the Kings should lose the pick to the Bulls if it ends up outside the top 10 after the pick swap. With the 4th worst record, the Lakers would have a 37.8% chance of keeping their pick. With the 3rd worst record, the Lakers would still only have a 46.9% chance to keep the pick. There is the question of whether the Sixers would be better off having the pick roll over to an unprotected 2018 pick. It surprises me but the Kings had a team +/- of 2.3 with Gay on the court and a team +/- of -4.8 with Rudy Gay off the court. That's better than Cousins on/off numbers of 0.2 and -3.4. It is hard to see how they make up for the loss of Gay. They've also just started a brutal 8 games in 12 days road trip. They could have the 4th or 5th worst record after the road trip.
Quote from: tazzmaniac on January 20, 2017, 09:44:34 PMQuote from: jpotter33 on January 20, 2017, 09:30:15 PMQuote from: jpotter33 on January 20, 2017, 09:27:45 PMHoly hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lolLol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.The Sixers have a pick swap with the Kings and they also have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected). If the basketball gods give them maximum luck, the Sixers could make the playoffs and still get the #1 and #4 picks in this draft. The Kings would end up losing their pick to the Bulls and the Lakers would lose their 2017 pick to the Sixers and their 2019 pick to the Magic. Nope, the pick's status to Chicago isn't related to the Philly swap. The Kings will have to be 11th or worse on their own to send the pick to Chicago, because it's not subject to the Philly swap. So if by some miracle the Sixers make the playoffs, the Kings would have the 15th pick themselves without having to give it to Chicago.At this point, the Sixers are in real danger of losing the Lakers pick. They're the 4th worst team right now, and it seems likely that they'll tank the rest of the season to try and get that top-3 lottery position to keep their pick.And the Kings situation is really fluid right now. If they keep Cousins, then that pick is probably right there where it always is around the 7th-10th pick, which would probably end up meaning a swap with Philly. However, if they would trade Boogie to Boston, which is really the only logical option for a trade now given the context and us having the Brooklyn pick, then they very well could drop down lower to the 4th or 5th spot or so, though doubtful any lower with the couple of wins they'll pick up before they trade him.So it's a very fluid situation. Philly could have two top 5 picks at the very best scenario, which is highly unlikely, or they could get stuck with something like the 10th pick and the 15th pick with no Lakers pick at the worst case scenario, which is also unlikely.My guess is that the Lakers will ultimately get something like the third pick in the draft, meaning they keep their pick, and the Kings will land somewhere around 6th to 7th for the Philly swap, who just misses out on the playoffs with the 12th or 13th pick.EDIT: But Sacramento is really in a predicament going forward. They have no incentive to tank right now with Philly improving and playing equal ball with them with the swap rights, yet at this point their playoff potential is virtually unrealistic without Gay. They'll have to make a decision on their future direction really soon.
Quote from: jpotter33 on January 20, 2017, 09:30:15 PMQuote from: jpotter33 on January 20, 2017, 09:27:45 PMHoly hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lolLol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.The Sixers have a pick swap with the Kings and they also have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected). If the basketball gods give them maximum luck, the Sixers could make the playoffs and still get the #1 and #4 picks in this draft. The Kings would end up losing their pick to the Bulls and the Lakers would lose their 2017 pick to the Sixers and their 2019 pick to the Magic.
Quote from: jpotter33 on January 20, 2017, 09:27:45 PMHoly hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lolLol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.
Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol
Quote from: jpotter33 on January 21, 2017, 12:16:39 AMQuote from: tazzmaniac on January 20, 2017, 11:55:03 PMQuote from: jpotter33 on January 20, 2017, 09:59:20 PMQuote from: tazzmaniac on January 20, 2017, 09:44:34 PMQuote from: jpotter33 on January 20, 2017, 09:30:15 PMQuote from: jpotter33 on January 20, 2017, 09:27:45 PMHoly hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lolLol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.The Sixers have a pick swap with the Kings and they also have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected). If the basketball gods give them maximum luck, the Sixers could make the playoffs and still get the #1 and #4 picks in this draft. The Kings would end up losing their pick to the Bulls and the Lakers would lose their 2017 pick to the Sixers and their 2019 pick to the Magic. Nope, the pick's status to Chicago isn't related to the Philly swap. The Kings will have to be 11th or worse on their own to send the pick to Chicago, because it's not subject to the Philly swap. So if by some miracle the Sixers make the playoffs, the Kings would have the 15th pick themselves without having to give it to Chicago.At this point, the Sixers are in real danger of losing the Lakers pick. They're the 4th worst team right now, and it seems likely that they'll tank the rest of the season to try and get that top-3 lottery position to keep their pick.And the Kings situation is really fluid right now. If they keep Cousins, then that pick is probably right there where it always is around the 7th-10th pick, which would probably end up meaning a swap with Philly. However, if they would trade Boogie to Boston, which is really the only logical option for a trade now given the context and us having the Brooklyn pick, then they very well could drop down lower to the 4th or 5th spot or so, though doubtful any lower with the couple of wins they'll pick up before they trade him.So it's a very fluid situation. Philly could have two top 5 picks at the very best scenario, which is highly unlikely, or they could get stuck with something like the 10th pick and the 15th pick with no Lakers pick at the worst case scenario, which is also unlikely.My guess is that the Lakers will ultimately get something like the third pick in the draft, meaning they keep their pick, and the Kings will land somewhere around 6th to 7th for the Philly swap, who just misses out on the playoffs with the 12th or 13th pick.EDIT: But Sacramento is really in a predicament going forward. They have no incentive to tank right now with Philly improving and playing equal ball with them with the swap rights, yet at this point their playoff potential is virtually unrealistic without Gay. They'll have to make a decision on their future direction really soon.Both the pick swap and potential loss of the pick to the Bulls are decided after the lottery occurs. The question is which takes occurs first. If the pick swap does, the Kings should lose the pick to the Bulls if it ends up outside the top 10 after the pick swap. With the 4th worst record, the Lakers would have a 37.8% chance of keeping their pick. With the 3rd worst record, the Lakers would still only have a 46.9% chance to keep the pick. There is the question of whether the Sixers would be better off having the pick roll over to an unprotected 2018 pick. It surprises me but the Kings had a team +/- of 2.3 with Gay on the court and a team +/- of -4.8 with Rudy Gay off the court. That's better than Cousins on/off numbers of 0.2 and -3.4. It is hard to see how they make up for the loss of Gay. They've also just started a brutal 8 games in 12 days road trip. They could have the 4th or 5th worst record after the road trip. This has been discussed at length on both Sactown Royalty and Liberty Ballers, and the conditional Chicago pick comes first. If the Kings don't give up the pick to the Bulls, then their obligation to them is passed onto their second round pick, regardless of where the pick swap ends. The swap then necessarily comes secondary, because it can only occur if Sacramento actually has the pick.They're screwed as it is with the pick, but if the swap did come first, then they'd be really screwed with pretty much no choice but to trade Cousins and start over.I haven't seen it discussed at Liberty Ballers but I generally ignore their fan posts. They're going to lose their 2019 1st to Sixers so they'd be starting their rebuild at a deficit. The problem with trading Cousins is that the Kings FO are very likely to screw up whatever assets they get for him.
Quote from: mctyson on January 20, 2017, 10:52:56 PMAlso Toronto got destroyed by CHA tonight. Win tomorrow and 1 game out of second.this has NOTHING to do with the sixersI'm confused
Also Toronto got destroyed by CHA tonight. Win tomorrow and 1 game out of second.
Quote from: GratefulCs on January 20, 2017, 11:17:45 PMQuote from: mctyson on January 20, 2017, 10:52:56 PMAlso Toronto got destroyed by CHA tonight. Win tomorrow and 1 game out of second.this has NOTHING to do with the sixersI'm confusedLOL some of us don't care about philly
Bulls-Kings tonight at 9PM. The "Butler/Cousins" watch all in one game
Lots of really good, relevant games today for us:Celtics standings -Trailblazers at CelticsWashington at DetroitPhilly at AtlantaBrooklyn pick - Brooklyn at CharlotteMilwaukee at Miami (chance for another Miami win with Milwaukee on a B2B)Potential trade targets -Sacramento at Chicago (win-win)LAC at Denver (pushing Kings further out of playoff race with win)Indiana at Utah
Anyone watching this Spurs-Cavaliers game? Man I hope three years from now the C's can start to replicate the Spur's success. Great defense, great hustle, and great shooting overall. Also no selfish ball and outstanding ball movement every possession. All that and they just went on a 9-0 run to take the lead.Celtics a work in progress but they are getting there.
Quote from: Phantom255x on January 21, 2017, 10:25:17 PMAnyone watching this Spurs-Cavaliers game? Man I hope three years from now the C's can start to replicate the Spur's success. Great defense, great hustle, and great shooting overall. Also no selfish ball and outstanding ball movement every possession. All that and they just went on a 9-0 run to take the lead.Celtics a work in progress but they are getting there.Kawhi floats.HUGE three from BronBron... miles out.So conflicted about Mike Breen. He's such a Cavs fanboy, but his voice just sounds so NBAey
Cousins dominating the Bulls. 28, 7, 3, 1, and 1 halfway through the third, and that's on 10-17 shooting and 8-9 fts.
Quote from: jpotter33 on January 21, 2017, 10:35:46 PMCousins dominating the Bulls. 28, 7, 3, 1, and 1 halfway through the third, and that's on 10-17 shooting and 8-9 fts.Cousins now has 32 points and 11 rebounds (WOW). Plus he completely outplayed Meyers Leonard in the previous Kings-Blazers game with the mouthpiece controversy. You know, the same Meyers Leonard who outplayed our "bigs" today. Please Cousins re-think about staying with Sacramento long term lol. Demand a trade. (Is it possible to work out a sign and trade with Cousins this summer or no? As a possibility I mean)Also Butler has 20 points and 7 assists, 5 rebounds, but Wade is balling for Chicago today.
