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Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #1065 on: January 20, 2017, 09:37:14 PM »

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Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!

Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol

Yep, that was fun to watch.  Big-time shots.  They've now won 8 of their last 11.  Love the Process. Genuinely enjoy watching Embiid, too.


Sixers vs Celtics in the 1st round, here we come!

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #1066 on: January 20, 2017, 09:44:34 PM »

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Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!

Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol

Lol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.
The Sixers have a pick swap with the Kings and they also have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected).  If the basketball gods give them maximum luck, the Sixers could make the playoffs and still get the #1 and #4 picks in this draft. 

The Kings would end up losing their pick to the Bulls and the Lakers would lose their 2017 pick to the Sixers and their 2019 pick to the Magic.   

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #1067 on: January 20, 2017, 09:54:50 PM »

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Anyone else scared Portland will beat us tomorrow...

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #1068 on: January 20, 2017, 09:59:20 PM »

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Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!

Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol

Lol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.
The Sixers have a pick swap with the Kings and they also have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected).  If the basketball gods give them maximum luck, the Sixers could make the playoffs and still get the #1 and #4 picks in this draft. 

The Kings would end up losing their pick to the Bulls and the Lakers would lose their 2017 pick to the Sixers and their 2019 pick to the Magic.   

Nope, the pick's status to Chicago isn't related to the Philly swap. The Kings will have to be 11th or worse on their own to send the pick to Chicago, because it's not subject to the Philly swap. So if by some miracle the Sixers make the playoffs, the Kings would have the 15th pick themselves without having to give it to Chicago.

At this point, the Sixers are in real danger of losing the Lakers pick. They're the 4th worst team right now, and it seems likely that they'll tank the rest of the season to try and get that top-3 lottery position to keep their pick.

And the Kings situation is really fluid right now. If they keep Cousins, then that pick is probably right there where it always is around the 7th-10th pick, which would probably end up meaning a swap with Philly. However, if they would trade Boogie to Boston, which is really the only logical option for a trade now given the context and us having the Brooklyn pick, then they very well could drop down lower to the 4th or 5th spot or so, though doubtful any lower with the couple of wins they'll pick up before they trade him.

So it's a very fluid situation. Philly could have two top 5 picks at the very best scenario, which is highly unlikely, or they could get stuck with something like the 10th pick and the 15th pick with no Lakers pick at the worst case scenario, which is also unlikely.

My guess is that the Lakers will ultimately get something like the third pick in the draft, meaning they keep their pick, and the Kings will land somewhere around 6th to 7th for the Philly swap, who just misses out on the playoffs with the 12th or 13th pick.

EDIT: But Sacramento is really in a predicament going forward. They have no incentive to tank right now with Philly improving and playing equal ball with them with the swap rights, yet at this point their playoff potential is virtually unrealistic without Gay. They'll have to make a decision on their future direction really soon.
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Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #1069 on: January 20, 2017, 10:00:25 PM »

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In watching the GS-Hou game, I can't help but think how the Cs might have been different with a Dekker-Harrell combo instead of Rozier-Hunter. Both players had been connected to the Cs before the 2015 draft and were taken just after our round picks.

I am not going to put forth much of a case for Dekker since I still probably prefer Rozier and think he has more potential going forward, but I was drooling over Harrell throughout the previous NCAA season and am happy, yet bummed to see him performing so well on a quality NBA team. He went just one pick before Mickey - way too late for where he should have gone - but I like to think Ainger would have taken him had he been there at 33.

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #1070 on: January 20, 2017, 10:03:06 PM »

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Anyone else scared Portland will beat us tomorrow...

Nope, they're on a b2b and lost their last 4 to ORL, WASH, CHA, and PHI.  Their guard-heavy offense is a good match-up, too.
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Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #1071 on: January 20, 2017, 10:03:34 PM »

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Anyone else scared Portland will beat us tomorrow...

Usually no, but after the Knicks game where all their players not named Carmelo destroyed us, I'm a little scared a slump might be coming on.

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #1072 on: January 20, 2017, 10:10:58 PM »

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Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!

Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol

Lol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.

At which point we get the Kings pick...

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #1073 on: January 20, 2017, 10:14:18 PM »

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Anyone else scared Portland will beat us tomorrow...

Nope, they're on a b2b and lost their last 4 to ORL, WASH, CHA, and PHI.  Their guard-heavy offense is a good match-up, too.
I know..we really shouldn't lose. I'm just feeling nervous.

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #1074 on: January 20, 2017, 10:20:48 PM »

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Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!

Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol

Lol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.

At which point we get the Kings pick...

....which benefits the C's since they're the only logical trading partner for Cousins at that point. And I'm not worried, because they more than likely won't get down far enough to get any of the top guards of the draft anyways.

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #1075 on: January 20, 2017, 10:52:56 PM »

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Also Toronto got destroyed by CHA tonight.  Win tomorrow and 1 game out of second.

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #1076 on: January 20, 2017, 11:17:45 PM »

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Also Toronto got destroyed by CHA tonight.  Win tomorrow and 1 game out of second.
this has NOTHING to do with the sixers

I'm confused
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Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #1077 on: January 20, 2017, 11:23:12 PM »

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Also Toronto got destroyed by CHA tonight.  Win tomorrow and 1 game out of second.
this has NOTHING to do with the sixers

I'm confused
Obviously their loss to the Sixers has knocked the Raptors for a loop.  Let's hope it carries over to the Suns game.   ;D

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #1078 on: January 20, 2017, 11:55:03 PM »

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Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!

Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol

Lol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.
The Sixers have a pick swap with the Kings and they also have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected).  If the basketball gods give them maximum luck, the Sixers could make the playoffs and still get the #1 and #4 picks in this draft. 

The Kings would end up losing their pick to the Bulls and the Lakers would lose their 2017 pick to the Sixers and their 2019 pick to the Magic.   

Nope, the pick's status to Chicago isn't related to the Philly swap. The Kings will have to be 11th or worse on their own to send the pick to Chicago, because it's not subject to the Philly swap. So if by some miracle the Sixers make the playoffs, the Kings would have the 15th pick themselves without having to give it to Chicago.

At this point, the Sixers are in real danger of losing the Lakers pick. They're the 4th worst team right now, and it seems likely that they'll tank the rest of the season to try and get that top-3 lottery position to keep their pick.

And the Kings situation is really fluid right now. If they keep Cousins, then that pick is probably right there where it always is around the 7th-10th pick, which would probably end up meaning a swap with Philly. However, if they would trade Boogie to Boston, which is really the only logical option for a trade now given the context and us having the Brooklyn pick, then they very well could drop down lower to the 4th or 5th spot or so, though doubtful any lower with the couple of wins they'll pick up before they trade him.

So it's a very fluid situation. Philly could have two top 5 picks at the very best scenario, which is highly unlikely, or they could get stuck with something like the 10th pick and the 15th pick with no Lakers pick at the worst case scenario, which is also unlikely.

My guess is that the Lakers will ultimately get something like the third pick in the draft, meaning they keep their pick, and the Kings will land somewhere around 6th to 7th for the Philly swap, who just misses out on the playoffs with the 12th or 13th pick.

EDIT: But Sacramento is really in a predicament going forward. They have no incentive to tank right now with Philly improving and playing equal ball with them with the swap rights, yet at this point their playoff potential is virtually unrealistic without Gay. They'll have to make a decision on their future direction really soon.
Both the pick swap and potential loss of the pick to the Bulls are decided after the lottery occurs.  The question is which takes occurs first.  If the pick swap does, the Kings should lose the pick to the Bulls if it ends up outside the top 10 after the pick swap. 

With the 4th worst record, the Lakers would have a 37.8% chance of keeping their pick.  With the 3rd worst record, the Lakers would still only have a 46.9% chance to keep the pick.  There is the question of whether the Sixers would be better off having the pick roll over to an unprotected 2018 pick. 

It surprises me but the Kings had a team +/- of 2.3 with Gay on the court and a team +/- of -4.8 with Rudy Gay off the court.  That's better than Cousins on/off numbers of 0.2 and -3.4.  It is hard to see how they make up for the loss of Gay.   They've also just started a brutal 8 games in 12 days road trip.  They could have the 4th or 5th worst record after the road trip. 

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #1079 on: January 21, 2017, 12:16:39 AM »

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Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!

Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol

Lol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.
The Sixers have a pick swap with the Kings and they also have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected).  If the basketball gods give them maximum luck, the Sixers could make the playoffs and still get the #1 and #4 picks in this draft. 

The Kings would end up losing their pick to the Bulls and the Lakers would lose their 2017 pick to the Sixers and their 2019 pick to the Magic.   

Nope, the pick's status to Chicago isn't related to the Philly swap. The Kings will have to be 11th or worse on their own to send the pick to Chicago, because it's not subject to the Philly swap. So if by some miracle the Sixers make the playoffs, the Kings would have the 15th pick themselves without having to give it to Chicago.

At this point, the Sixers are in real danger of losing the Lakers pick. They're the 4th worst team right now, and it seems likely that they'll tank the rest of the season to try and get that top-3 lottery position to keep their pick.

And the Kings situation is really fluid right now. If they keep Cousins, then that pick is probably right there where it always is around the 7th-10th pick, which would probably end up meaning a swap with Philly. However, if they would trade Boogie to Boston, which is really the only logical option for a trade now given the context and us having the Brooklyn pick, then they very well could drop down lower to the 4th or 5th spot or so, though doubtful any lower with the couple of wins they'll pick up before they trade him.

So it's a very fluid situation. Philly could have two top 5 picks at the very best scenario, which is highly unlikely, or they could get stuck with something like the 10th pick and the 15th pick with no Lakers pick at the worst case scenario, which is also unlikely.

My guess is that the Lakers will ultimately get something like the third pick in the draft, meaning they keep their pick, and the Kings will land somewhere around 6th to 7th for the Philly swap, who just misses out on the playoffs with the 12th or 13th pick.

EDIT: But Sacramento is really in a predicament going forward. They have no incentive to tank right now with Philly improving and playing equal ball with them with the swap rights, yet at this point their playoff potential is virtually unrealistic without Gay. They'll have to make a decision on their future direction really soon.
Both the pick swap and potential loss of the pick to the Bulls are decided after the lottery occurs.  The question is which takes occurs first.  If the pick swap does, the Kings should lose the pick to the Bulls if it ends up outside the top 10 after the pick swap. 

With the 4th worst record, the Lakers would have a 37.8% chance of keeping their pick.  With the 3rd worst record, the Lakers would still only have a 46.9% chance to keep the pick.  There is the question of whether the Sixers would be better off having the pick roll over to an unprotected 2018 pick. 

It surprises me but the Kings had a team +/- of 2.3 with Gay on the court and a team +/- of -4.8 with Rudy Gay off the court.  That's better than Cousins on/off numbers of 0.2 and -3.4.  It is hard to see how they make up for the loss of Gay.   They've also just started a brutal 8 games in 12 days road trip.  They could have the 4th or 5th worst record after the road trip.

This has been discussed at length on both Sactown Royalty and Liberty Ballers, and the conditional Chicago pick comes first. If the Kings don't give up the pick to the Bulls, then their obligation to them is passed onto their second round pick, regardless of where the pick swap ends. The swap then necessarily comes secondary, because it can only occur if Sacramento actually has the pick.

They're screwed as it is with the pick, but if the swap did come first, then they'd be really screwed with pretty much no choice but to trade Cousins and start over.