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Re: Pacers may sue Lakers/NBA over tampering case; to demand harsher punishment
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2017, 02:36:37 PM »

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Can't believe the Lakers Get away with literally cheating and breaking the rules

I'm all for punishing tampering, but let's not forget that Isaiah bragged about doing the very same thing at the All-Star Game. Can't imagine Hawks fans can believe that the Celtics got away with literally cheating and breaking the rules.
so 2 wrongs make a right?

Nice strawman. As we both know, all I'm saying is that maybe we should look in the mirror before expressing our outrage.

Hold up...Players can talk all they want. TEAM EXECUTIVED cannot  signal to a player they have a spot for him. If this is allowed, the players can collude with prospective teams to the detriment of the players' current team.

Wrong:

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Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team in order to negotiate for their services.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q111

Technically, but the league has always seemed to let the former slide. When a team or team executives lure a player, there is a lot more validity to the team actually wanting to sign them than a player saying, "Hey man - you should totally come play for us. That would be epic!"

Re: Pacers may sue Lakers/NBA over tampering case; to demand harsher punishment
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2017, 03:07:41 PM »

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Can't believe the Lakers Get away with literally cheating and breaking the rules

I'm all for punishing tampering, but let's not forget that Isaiah bragged about doing the very same thing at the All-Star Game. Can't imagine Hawks fans can believe that the Celtics got away with literally cheating and breaking the rules.
so 2 wrongs make a right?

Nice strawman. As we both know, all I'm saying is that maybe we should look in the mirror before expressing our outrage.

Hold up...Players can talk all they want. TEAM EXECUTIVED cannot  signal to a player they have a spot for him. If this is allowed, the players can collude with prospective teams to the detriment of the players' current team.

Wrong:

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Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team in order to negotiate for their services.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q111

Technically, but the league has always seemed to let the former slide. When a team or team executives lure a player, there is a lot more validity to the team actually wanting to sign them than a player saying, "Hey man - you should totally come play for us. That would be epic!"

The league usually lets both slide, but that doesn't mean that what IT did to help us is allowed.
Isaiah, you were lightning in a bottle.

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Re: Pacers may sue Lakers/NBA over tampering case; to demand harsher punishment
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2017, 03:23:43 PM »

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Pacers may sue NBA/Lakers over tampering case; to demand harsher punishment at BoG meeting

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According to an impeccable source, for two months, the independent law firm hired by the league, investigated tampering charges filed by Pacers’ owner, Herb Simon. And it determined that Pelinka was the Palooka who communicated with Paul George’s agent, Aaron Mintz, and expressed interest in his Indiana- contracted client. His exact words, I’m informed, were, “We’d like your guy to play for us.


Still, just because Adam Silver feels his punishment fits the crime, it doesn’t mean Herb Simon will accept it. A confidant of the Pacers’ long-time owner, says he plans to raise a stink at the league’s next Board of Governors meeting. "He’s so fed up, don’t be shocked if he sues the league and the Lakers for damages."


Can't believe the Lakers Get away with literally cheating and breaking the rules

They didn't.  They got fined for it.

Do you honestly think that saying "We’d like your guy to play for us" gave the Lakers $500k worth of benefit? Is Paul George going to consider the Lakers because Pelinka expressed interest (which everyone already knew about) in him a year before FA?

What leads you to believe that you have any clue what was actually said or potentially agreed to between the Lakers and Paul George? Did you and Magic grow up together or something?

The Lakers are being punished based on what they have proof of happening. Punishing a team based off of what another team or popular opinion thinks hapoened is asinine (see Goodell, Roger). It's entirely possible that more happened, but not that the league has indicated that they have any proof of.

Are you suggesting that the league should have punished them based on pure speculation? You have to admit that the punishment fits the crime is has been reported.
I'm bitter.

Re: Pacers may sue Lakers/NBA over tampering case; to demand harsher punishment
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2017, 04:20:52 PM »

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Pacers may sue NBA/Lakers over tampering case; to demand harsher punishment at BoG meeting

Source: https://www.patreon.com/petervecsey/posts (behind paywall)

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According to an impeccable source, for two months, the independent law firm hired by the league, investigated tampering charges filed by Pacers’ owner, Herb Simon. And it determined that Pelinka was the Palooka who communicated with Paul George’s agent, Aaron Mintz, and expressed interest in his Indiana- contracted client. His exact words, I’m informed, were, “We’d like your guy to play for us.


Still, just because Adam Silver feels his punishment fits the crime, it doesn’t mean Herb Simon will accept it. A confidant of the Pacers’ long-time owner, says he plans to raise a stink at the league’s next Board of Governors meeting. "He’s so fed up, don’t be shocked if he sues the league and the Lakers for damages."


Can't believe the Lakers Get away with literally cheating and breaking the rules

They didn't.  They got fined for it.

Do you honestly think that saying "We’d like your guy to play for us" gave the Lakers $500k worth of benefit? Is Paul George going to consider the Lakers because Pelinka expressed interest (which everyone already knew about) in him a year before FA?

What leads you to believe that you have any clue what was actually said or potentially agreed to between the Lakers and Paul George? Did you and Magic grow up together or something?

The Lakers are being punished based on what they have proof of happening. Punishing a team based off of what another team or popular opinion thinks hapoened is asinine (see Goodell, Roger). It's entirely possible that more happened, but not that the league has indicated that they have any proof of.

Are you suggesting that the league should have punished them based on pure speculation? You have to admit that the punishment fits the crime is has been reported.

No -- I'm just not assuming that the only thing that happened is what the NBA's brief investigation revealed. It's sounds like Simon feels the same way.
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Re: Pacers may sue Lakers/NBA over tampering case; to demand harsher punishment
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2017, 04:38:21 PM »

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Why are the Pacers so up in arms about it? And what would they be suing for? Would it just be a breach of contract sorta thing? Or is it because they feel that they could've had a better chance at retaining George if the Lakers weren't trying to talk him away from his team prematurely?

The primary argument is probably that the belief George would go to the Lakers next offseason killed his trade value, and the Lakers' tampering directly contributed to that belief.



 They could sue for Lowering the value of the franchise. We are talking about 200 million dollars or more. Stars are worth a fortune.