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Re: Why isn't Cousins forcing a trade?
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2016, 07:09:11 PM »

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DMC is a good guy, it is probably being handled carefully and discretely behind closed doors.

Re: Why isn't Cousins forcing a trade?
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2016, 07:28:03 PM »

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I don't think the guy is passionate about winning.

hmmm...that's another possibility.  Definitely something to consider.

Not if you know anything about him.


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Re: Why isn't Cousins forcing a trade?
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2016, 07:33:55 PM »

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I don't think the guy is passionate about winning.

hmmm...that's another possibility.  Definitely something to consider.

Not if you know anything about him.

I know what I see, and he has not demonstrated any passion to move himself or the team. There are players that have a passion to win, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant. There are players who have that thrust upon them, LeBron James, Kevin Durant. Then there are highly skilled players who have interests other than basketball and would sooner just get paid do their job and go home win or lose. He seems to fit the very latter group so far.

If you know anything that we do not, please share.

Re: Why isn't Cousins forcing a trade?
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2016, 07:58:05 PM »

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I don't think the guy is passionate about winning.

hmmm...that's another possibility.  Definitely something to consider.

Not if you know anything about him.

I know what I see, and he has not demonstrated any passion to move himself or the team. There are players that have a passion to win, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant. There are players who have that thrust upon them, LeBron James, Kevin Durant. Then there are highly skilled players who have interests other than basketball and would sooner just get paid do their job and go home win or lose. He seems to fit the very latter group so far.

If you know anything that we do not, please share.

Boogie has improved his game every single season.  He's improved his post game, his passing, his defense, his 3PT. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He's played through injury repeatedly, including painful injuries to his feet. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

As bad as the talent on his team is, the Kings have a positive +/- when he's on the court. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He shows up at Summer League to lead practices with the scrubs who will never make the team. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.


He's a passionate guy. Most of his outbursts are related to losing. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

Sacramento is a lousy team in a lousy city. DMC is hurting his "brand" by staying there. However, he's extremely loyal. Hell, he's got a "loyalty" tattoo, and that's the name of his clothing line. He wants to make Sacramento great again, not bail for an easier opportunity. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.


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Re: Why isn't Cousins forcing a trade?
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2016, 08:10:25 PM »

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I don't think the guy is passionate about winning.



bingo!
After you loose year after year, some players just get use to it. They cash that monthly check, jump in
the Ferrari, and are quite content.

 

Re: Why isn't Cousins forcing a trade?
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2016, 08:11:28 PM »

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I don't think the guy is passionate about winning.

hmmm...that's another possibility.  Definitely something to consider.

Not if you know anything about him.

I know what I see, and he has not demonstrated any passion to move himself or the team. There are players that have a passion to win, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant. There are players who have that thrust upon them, LeBron James, Kevin Durant. Then there are highly skilled players who have interests other than basketball and would sooner just get paid do their job and go home win or lose. He seems to fit the very latter group so far.

If you know anything that we do not, please share.

Boogie has improved his game every single season.  He's improved his post game, his passing, his defense, his 3PT. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He's played through injury repeatedly, including painful injuries to his feet. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

As bad as the talent on his team is, the Kings have a positive +/- when he's on the court. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He shows up at Summer League to lead practices with the scrubs who will never make the team. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.


He's a passionate guy. Most of his outbursts are related to losing. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

Sacramento is a lousy team in a lousy city. DMC is hurting his "brand" by staying there. However, he's extremely loyal. Hell, he's got a "loyalty" tattoo, and that's the name of his clothing line. He wants to make Sacramento great again, not bail for an easier opportunity. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He wants to make Sacramento great again???? Maybe that is the problem. When was Sacramento ever great? If he is trying to lead Sacramento to greatness then he is more an epic fail than the guy who really invented the great again slogan will be on November 8.

Re: Why isn't Cousins forcing a trade?
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2016, 08:46:45 PM »

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He's loyal to a fault. Think KG in Minnesota, with much worse management.

Or the ownership let him do whatever he wants and placate his adolescent on court behaviour.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Why isn't Cousins forcing a trade?
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2016, 08:52:30 PM »

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I don't think the guy is passionate about winning.

hmmm...that's another possibility.  Definitely something to consider.

Not if you know anything about him.

I know what I see, and he has not demonstrated any passion to move himself or the team. There are players that have a passion to win, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant. There are players who have that thrust upon them, LeBron James, Kevin Durant. Then there are highly skilled players who have interests other than basketball and would sooner just get paid do their job and go home win or lose. He seems to fit the very latter group so far.

If you know anything that we do not, please share.

Boogie has improved his game every single season.  He's improved his post game, his passing, his defense, his 3PT. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He's played through injury repeatedly, including painful injuries to his feet. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

As bad as the talent on his team is, the Kings have a positive +/- when he's on the court. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He shows up at Summer League to lead practices with the scrubs who will never make the team. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.


He's a passionate guy. Most of his outbursts are related to losing. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

Sacramento is a lousy team in a lousy city. DMC is hurting his "brand" by staying there. However, he's extremely loyal. Hell, he's got a "loyalty" tattoo, and that's the name of his clothing line. He wants to make Sacramento great again, not bail for an easier opportunity. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He wants to make Sacramento great again???? Maybe that is the problem. When was Sacramento ever great? If he is trying to lead Sacramento to greatness then he is more an epic fail than the guy who really invented the great again slogan will be on November 8.

Respectfully, you're as uninformed about Cousins as you are about politics. (Trump didn't invent that slogan; Margaret Thatcher used it in 1950, Reagan used it in 1980, etc.)


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Re: Why isn't Cousins forcing a trade?
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2016, 08:59:45 PM »

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He's loyal to a fault. Think KG in Minnesota, with much worse management.

Or the ownership let him do whatever he wants and placate his adolescent on court behaviour.

They sure did a great job of placating him when they fired Mike Malone and didn't offer IT a halfway decent contract
I'm bitter.

Re: Why isn't Cousins forcing a trade?
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2016, 09:10:11 PM »

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If Cousins does go on the market, it will be interesting to see who our competition is.  Got to think the Lakers will be in it but mostly I'd think it would be contenders.  I don't know if the Cavs would offer Irving for Cousins but I would.

Don't think the Lakers would give up Russell and either Randle or Ingram for Cousins, considering Walton is still a young rookie head coach. Got to believe we're the best place for him, plus Cousins probably has some say in where he gets traded, or at least some slack considering how long he has preserved to stay in Kings, and not demand a trade.

By the way, if the Cavs offer Irving for Cousins, I hope the GM gets fired.

Lebron was the main reason they won, but Irving was also the 2nd best thing the Cavs needed, plus his dagger 3 point shot in game 7 was the final touch necessary to knock them down.

they'd have to give up Russell, Ingram, and one or two of Randle/Clarkson/Nance to even get a discussion imo.
So what would your offer be that would be that make the Lakers offer so much?   

Re: Why isn't Cousins forcing a trade?
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2016, 09:28:01 PM »

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I don't think the guy is passionate about winning.

hmmm...that's another possibility.  Definitely something to consider.

Not if you know anything about him.

I know what I see, and he has not demonstrated any passion to move himself or the team. There are players that have a passion to win, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant. There are players who have that thrust upon them, LeBron James, Kevin Durant. Then there are highly skilled players who have interests other than basketball and would sooner just get paid do their job and go home win or lose. He seems to fit the very latter group so far.

If you know anything that we do not, please share.

Boogie has improved his game every single season.  He's improved his post game, his passing, his defense, his 3PT. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He's played through injury repeatedly, including painful injuries to his feet. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

As bad as the talent on his team is, the Kings have a positive +/- when he's on the court. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He shows up at Summer League to lead practices with the scrubs who will never make the team. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.


He's a passionate guy. Most of his outbursts are related to losing. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

Sacramento is a lousy team in a lousy city. DMC is hurting his "brand" by staying there. However, he's extremely loyal. Hell, he's got a "loyalty" tattoo, and that's the name of his clothing line. He wants to make Sacramento great again, not bail for an easier opportunity. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He wants to make Sacramento great again???? Maybe that is the problem. When was Sacramento ever great? If he is trying to lead Sacramento to greatness then he is more an epic fail than the guy who really invented the great again slogan will be on November 8.

Respectfully, you're as uninformed about Cousins as you are about politics. (Trump didn't invent that slogan; Margaret Thatcher used it in 1950, Reagan used it in 1980, etc.)

If Thatcher used it in 1950 she definitely was ahead of her time :)

As to who owns the phrase Donald Trump strongly disagrees with you, he believes he invented it. I guess it is one more of his lies. Anyway, the post was not about politics or Cousins, it was about Sacramento. When exactly was that team great?
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Re: Why isn't Cousins forcing a trade?
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2016, 09:38:45 PM »

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He's loyal to a fault. Think KG in Minnesota, with much worse management.

Or the ownership let him do whatever he wants and placate his adolescent on court behaviour.

They sure did a great job of placating him when they fired Mike Malone and didn't offer IT a halfway decent contract

Or when they hired George Karl without consulting Cousins. Or when they kept Karl around even after he tried to organize a mutiny in his own locker room, simply due to money.

If Sactown is placating Cousins, they're doing the worst job of it ever.


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Re: Why isn't Cousins forcing a trade?
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2016, 09:55:43 PM »

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I don't think the guy is passionate about winning.

hmmm...that's another possibility.  Definitely something to consider.

Not if you know anything about him.

I know what I see, and he has not demonstrated any passion to move himself or the team. There are players that have a passion to win, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant. There are players who have that thrust upon them, LeBron James, Kevin Durant. Then there are highly skilled players who have interests other than basketball and would sooner just get paid do their job and go home win or lose. He seems to fit the very latter group so far.

If you know anything that we do not, please share.

Boogie has improved his game every single season.  He's improved his post game, his passing, his defense, his 3PT. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He's played through injury repeatedly, including painful injuries to his feet. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

As bad as the talent on his team is, the Kings have a positive +/- when he's on the court. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He shows up at Summer League to lead practices with the scrubs who will never make the team. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.


He's a passionate guy. Most of his outbursts are related to losing. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

Sacramento is a lousy team in a lousy city. DMC is hurting his "brand" by staying there. However, he's extremely loyal. Hell, he's got a "loyalty" tattoo, and that's the name of his clothing line. He wants to make Sacramento great again, not bail for an easier opportunity. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He wants to make Sacramento great again???? Maybe that is the problem. When was Sacramento ever great? If he is trying to lead Sacramento to greatness then he is more an epic fail than the guy who really invented the great again slogan will be on November 8.

Respectfully, you're as uninformed about Cousins as you are about politics. (Trump didn't invent that slogan; Margaret Thatcher used it in 1950, Reagan used it in 1980, etc.)

If Thatcher used it in 1950 she definitely was ahead of her time :)

As to who owns the phrase Donald Trump strongly disagrees with you, he believes he invented it. I guess it is one more of his lies. Anyway, the post was not about politics or Cousins, it was about Sacramento. When exactly was that team great?

I assume he meant the Webber / Divac team that was screwed in the WCF team. They won 61 games, which is pretty great.

Quote from: Boogie
Since I’ve been here, I’ve grown an attachment to the city, like, the way these people treat me, the love they give out to me, and vice versa,” Cousins said to Dave. “I feel like I have an attachment, and it’s something that I do owe to this city. I want to be the person to bring this city back to the glory days. I want to grow myself and this city all together. I want to bring us back to those glory days. So, that’s where I’m at with it. This is like a personal vendetta for me.”


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Re: Why isn't Cousins forcing a trade?
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2016, 10:10:27 PM »

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So, I just checked their schedule, and here's the first 25 games:

@ Suns
vs Spurs b2b
vs Twolves
@ Hawks
@ Heat b2b
@ Magic
@ Bucks
@ Raptors b2b
vs Pelicans
vs Lakers
@ Blazers b2b
vs Spurs
vs Clippers
vs Raptors
vs Thunder
vs Houston
@ Nets
@ Wizards b2b
@ 76ers
@ Celtics
@ Knicks
@ Mavs
vs Knicks
@ Jazz b2b
vs Lakers

With that schedule, I can see them falling anywhere between an optimistic record of 8-17 or a pessimistic record of 4-21. Either way, that'd put them halfway through December and virtually out of the playoff race. If combined with the Nets also sucking pretty badly, that seems like a perfect recipe for Cousins finally being traded.

Re: Why isn't Cousins forcing a trade?
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2016, 10:38:18 PM »

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I don't think the guy is passionate about winning.

hmmm...that's another possibility.  Definitely something to consider.

Not if you know anything about him.

I know what I see, and he has not demonstrated any passion to move himself or the team. There are players that have a passion to win, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant. There are players who have that thrust upon them, LeBron James, Kevin Durant. Then there are highly skilled players who have interests other than basketball and would sooner just get paid do their job and go home win or lose. He seems to fit the very latter group so far.

If you know anything that we do not, please share.

Boogie has improved his game every single season.  He's improved his post game, his passing, his defense, his 3PT. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He's played through injury repeatedly, including painful injuries to his feet. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

As bad as the talent on his team is, the Kings have a positive +/- when he's on the court. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He shows up at Summer League to lead practices with the scrubs who will never make the team. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.


He's a passionate guy. Most of his outbursts are related to losing. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

Sacramento is a lousy team in a lousy city. DMC is hurting his "brand" by staying there. However, he's extremely loyal. Hell, he's got a "loyalty" tattoo, and that's the name of his clothing line. He wants to make Sacramento great again, not bail for an easier opportunity. That's not what guys just collecting a paycheck do.

He wants to make Sacramento great again???? Maybe that is the problem. When was Sacramento ever great? If he is trying to lead Sacramento to greatness then he is more an epic fail than the guy who really invented the great again slogan will be on November 8.

Respectfully, you're as uninformed about Cousins as you are about politics. (Trump didn't invent that slogan; Margaret Thatcher used it in 1950, Reagan used it in 1980, etc.)

If Thatcher used it in 1950 she definitely was ahead of her time :)

As to who owns the phrase Donald Trump strongly disagrees with you, he believes he invented it. I guess it is one more of his lies. Anyway, the post was not about politics or Cousins, it was about Sacramento. When exactly was that team great?

I assume he meant the Webber / Divac team that was screwed in the WCF team. They won 61 games, which is pretty great.

Quote from: Boogie
Since I’ve been here, I’ve grown an attachment to the city, like, the way these people treat me, the love they give out to me, and vice versa,” Cousins said to Dave. “I feel like I have an attachment, and it’s something that I do owe to this city. I want to be the person to bring this city back to the glory days. I want to grow myself and this city all together. I want to bring us back to those glory days. So, that’s where I’m at with it. This is like a personal vendetta for me.”

Sacramento Gold Rush of 1848?
Yup