Are we retiring #5 ??

[Moranis]

How do you know it wasn't Ray that was responsible for the culture shift?

Perhaps we should ask the guys that were actually there at the time? Oh wait, someone already did...

http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4695081/pierce-kg-changed-the-culture

I've already commented on that in this thread.

[Tr1boy]

No.  He spent most of his career with the Wolves. If he helped the Celts win 3 rings , maybe a min of 2,.maybe

Unfortunately this is the type of qualification to "fast track" to have a number retired

Paul Pierce will have his number retired, no question.   

[kozlodoev]

How do you know it wasn't Ray that was responsible for the culture shift?

Perhaps we should ask the guys that were actually there at the time? Oh wait, someone already did...

http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4695081/pierce-kg-changed-the-culture

I've already commented on that in this thread.

Doesn't count because I wasn't poking fun at you

[Moranis]

How do you know it wasn't Ray that was responsible for the culture shift?

Perhaps we should ask the guys that were actually there at the time? Oh wait, someone already did...

http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4695081/pierce-kg-changed-the-culture

I've already commented on that in this thread.

Doesn't count because I wasn't poking fun at you

I recall a number of reports of KG clashing with the younger players.  Now maybe that was KG trying to motivate, or maybe it was just KG being an ass.  He was a pretty big ass to pretty much everyone.  Great great player.  Super intense, but that intensity isn't always a positive.  I posted an article on here not too long ago about Pierce's favorite memory of KG.  KG basically hit a food plate out of the team doctors hands and said that food is for the players.  That was Pierce's favorite memory because that perfectly captures KG.

[kozlodoev]

How do you know it wasn't Ray that was responsible for the culture shift?

Perhaps we should ask the guys that were actually there at the time? Oh wait, someone already did...

http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4695081/pierce-kg-changed-the-culture

I've already commented on that in this thread.

Doesn't count because I wasn't poking fun at you

I recall a number of reports of KG clashing with the younger players.  Now maybe that was KG trying to motivate, or maybe it was just KG being an ass.  He was a pretty big ass to pretty much everyone.  Great great player.  Super intense, but that intensity isn't always a positive.  I posted an article on here not too long ago about Pierce's favorite memory of KG.  KG basically hit a food plate out of the team doctors hands and said that food is for the players.  That was Pierce's favorite memory because that perfectly captures KG.

Sure, and? My favorite memory of Pierce is when he showed up at a presser with a bandaged head, but this does nothing to his place in the pantheon of Celtics greats.

The question in this thread was are we retiring #5. The answer to this is well-documented, and it's an emphatic yes -- the current ownership intends to retire #5. If you want to run a discussion about whether he's deserving, that's a different story altogether.

[Moranis]

How do you know it wasn't Ray that was responsible for the culture shift?

Perhaps we should ask the guys that were actually there at the time? Oh wait, someone already did...

http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4695081/pierce-kg-changed-the-culture

I've already commented on that in this thread.

Doesn't count because I wasn't poking fun at you

I recall a number of reports of KG clashing with the younger players.  Now maybe that was KG trying to motivate, or maybe it was just KG being an ass.  He was a pretty big ass to pretty much everyone.  Great great player.  Super intense, but that intensity isn't always a positive.  I posted an article on here not too long ago about Pierce's favorite memory of KG.  KG basically hit a food plate out of the team doctors hands and said that food is for the players.  That was Pierce's favorite memory because that perfectly captures KG.

Sure, and? My favorite memory of Pierce is when he showed up at a presser with a bandaged head, but this does nothing to his place in the pantheon of Celtics greats.

The question in this thread was are we retiring #5. The answer to this is well-documented, and it's an emphatic yes -- the current ownership intends to retire #5. If you want to run a discussion about whether he's deserving, that's a different story altogether.

Well yeah, the discussion has morphed from are we to should we?  My first post in this thread was that Boston would but should not tying into the current discussion.

[SHAQATTACK]

Kg time with the wolfs might mean something to him and their fans sentimental and all...     but in terms of what counts in the minds of people reflecting decades from now , it will always be about KG and his true glory days with Boston.....that's the highlites that will be his hallmark insured his HOF 

[iadera]

I am a strong proponent of retiring Kevin Garnett's number 5 to the Garden rafters. Without KG, Pierce never gets a ring.

Not seen any mention of this in the KG retirement stories the past few days - I actually consider him the 4th most important Celtic in history because he was the backbone of his Celtic championship group just like, Russell, Bird and Cowens. He should have had two rings here, but I consider that Ainge's fault, not Garnett's.

I don't se Danny's fault for losing Game 7 in 2010 finals.

[Moranis]

If KG ends up as a coach on the Cavs, would that change anyone's mind?

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/09/kevin_garnett_a_cavs_coach_tyr.html

[PhoSita]

I am a strong proponent of retiring Kevin Garnett's number 5 to the Garden rafters. Without KG, Pierce never gets a ring.

Not seen any mention of this in the KG retirement stories the past few days - I actually consider him the 4th most important Celtic in history because he was the backbone of his Celtic championship group just like, Russell, Bird and Cowens. He should have had two rings here, but I consider that Ainge's fault, not Garnett's.

I don't se Danny's fault for losing Game 7 in 2010 finals.

Right, Danny had no way of preventing KG's knee injury in 2009 either, nor could he have prevented Perk tearing up his knee in 2010.

Danny assembled a team that had the juice to go to the Finals three straight years, and perhaps win a title 2 or 3 times over that span.  Unfortunately, injury luck didn't work out in the Celts' favor.  I'm glad we got a title out of it.


KG is the best player that has been on the Celts roster since Bird retired.  As much as I love Pierce, I don't think his best season was as impactful as what KG did in 2007-2008 and in 2009 before his injury. 

Pierce and KG should both be in the rafters. 

[bigal534]

HELL YES WE ARE

[SHAQATTACK]

Sooner the BETTER