Middleton out.

[slamtheking]

I changed my mind....  They really are not high on MCW.    Lets give them a project and a back up PG.   Ad a pick and we get our ET Replacement project.  MCW is a player, selfish.  But maybe he would buy in.   May the best man win in training camp.     


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

I preferred your Henson idea (which I was looking up at the same time).

My idea:

Denver gets:
Jerebko
Hunter
Bentil
Top 10 protected 1st from Milwaukee

Milwaukee gets:
Wilson Chandler
Demetrious Jackson

Boston gets:
John Henson

so in short: Jackson, Jerebko, Hunter and Bentil for Henson.  seems like a lot to give up for a mediocre (at best) big man.  granted JJ is a journeyman and the other 3 are middling prospects at best but still seems like a bit much.  maybe it's me because I'm not big on Henson

[chambers]

AB for Parker straight up wouldn't be bad.

Del, AB, Giannis, Tele, Monroe

Then when Khris is back
Del, AB, KM, Giannis, Monroe.
Enis, Brogdon, Tele, Henson, Plum

Personally I think Jabari is more valuable than Bradley by a fair margin- especially when it's essentially for a 6 month rental. But yeah I think the Bucks hang up laughing at a Bradley for Parker offer. I can see why plenty of people would take Bradley, and perhaps if they didn't have Middleton then they'd perhaps talk and ask for some more big assets like Rozier+Bradley+Mickey or something. But even that's not enough for me to give up Jabari at this point.

[saltlover]

I changed my mind....  They really are not high on MCW.    Lets give them a project and a back up PG.   Ad a pick and we get our ET Replacement project.  MCW is a player, selfish.  But maybe he would buy in.   May the best man win in training camp.     


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

I preferred your Henson idea (which I was looking up at the same time).

My idea:

Denver gets:
Jerebko
Hunter
Bentil
Top 10 protected 1st from Milwaukee

Milwaukee gets:
Wilson Chandler
Demetrious Jackson

Boston gets:
John Henson

so in short: Jackson, Jerebko, Hunter and Bentil for Henson.  seems like a lot to give up for a mediocre (at best) big man.  granted JJ is a journeyman and the other 3 are middling prospects at best but still seems like a bit much.  maybe it's me because I'm not big on Henson

I don't love Henson, but yes, Jerebko and three middling prospects is about what I'd be willing to give up, especially since at least one of those middling prospects is going to be cut by the Celtics in October, and it wouldn't surprise me if none were on the roster in 2017.

Henson's deal is also reasonable given the contracts handed out this summer to bigs.

Of course, Denver is somewhat full on roster spots themselves.  Hunter and Bentil were largely salary filler that they might find possible useful.  If they didn't find either to be a player they wish to keep, swapping in Young, whom they'd certainly release, also makes salaries work.  The Denver deal is mostly about getting a first for Chandler, allowing them to keep giving Gary Harris playing time, and clearing more cap room for them next summer.  Jerebko seemed like he might be useful to them as a stretch 4, and he's an expiring.  And they really don't need Henson or Monroe, which would be the contracts Milwaukee needs to send out.

Of course, if you prefer Jerebko to Henson, that's your prerogative.  That's largely what the trade is.

[td450]

AB for Parker straight up wouldn't be bad.

Del, AB, Giannis, Tele, Monroe

Then when Khris is back
Del, AB, KM, Giannis, Monroe.
Enis, Brogdon, Tele, Henson, Plum

Personally I think Jabari is more valuable than Bradley by a fair margin- especially when it's essentially for a 6 month rental. But yeah I think the Bucks hang up laughing at a Bradley for Parker offer. I can see why plenty of people would take Bradley, and perhaps if they didn't have Middleton then they'd perhaps talk and ask for some more big assets like Rozier+Bradley+Mickey or something. But even that's not enough for me to give up Jabari at this point.

In what universe is Parker more valuable than Bradley?

If you just look at the second half of last year, Parker and Bradley are roughly equally valuable offensively. Parker scored a bit more for a much weaker team, and showed an ability to finish at the rim, but he's a weak rebounder for his position and hasn't shown the ability to shoot 3's at all, so he's never going to be a particularly efficient player until he solves that. Bradley is more limited, but he's quite productive anyway, shoots 3's well and is a better fit for most teams because he improves spacing.

And then there's defense...

The most likely scenario for Parker is to evolve into a 20 ppg scorer who is somewhat inefficient, with limited rebounding and below average defense.

No thanks!

[chambers]

AB for Parker straight up wouldn't be bad.

Del, AB, Giannis, Tele, Monroe

Then when Khris is back
Del, AB, KM, Giannis, Monroe.
Enis, Brogdon, Tele, Henson, Plum

Personally I think Jabari is more valuable than Bradley by a fair margin- especially when it's essentially for a 6 month rental. But yeah I think the Bucks hang up laughing at a Bradley for Parker offer. I can see why plenty of people would take Bradley, and perhaps if they didn't have Middleton then they'd perhaps talk and ask for some more big assets like Rozier+Bradley+Mickey or something. But even that's not enough for me to give up Jabari at this point.

In what universe is Parker more valuable than Bradley?

If you just look at the second half of last year, Parker and Bradley are roughly equally valuable offensively. Parker scored a bit more for a much weaker team, and showed an ability to finish at the rim, but he's a weak rebounder for his position and hasn't shown the ability to shoot 3's at all, so he's never going to be a particularly efficient player until he solves that. Bradley is more limited, but he's quite productive anyway, shoots 3's well and is a better fit for most teams because he improves spacing.

And then there's defense...

The most likely scenario for Parker is to evolve into a 20 ppg scorer who is somewhat inefficient, with limited rebounding and below average defense.

No thanks!

Jabari Parker has the size and youth to still become an All Star, even a top 10 player in the NBA given his size, agility and skill set on offense. I believe he just completed his second season in the NBA?

Avery Bradley does not. He is an elite role player but he's going to be seeking a huge contract in two summers for that elite role playing skill.

Jabari Parker is the more valuable asset, and if you think Danny Ainge wouldn't trade Avery Bradley for Jabari Parker in an instant you need to check your homerism with a thermometer.

Again, this guy finished his second season and has come back from major surgery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPA9mgt8w94

[LooseCannon]

Anyways, while I think that Parker is trash, the garbage that the Bucks are most interested in tossing out is Greg Monroe.

[LooseCannon]

Jabari Parker has the size and youth to still become an All Star, even a top 10 player in the NBA given his size, agility and skill set on offense. I believe he just completed his second season in the NBA?

Parker's skill set is just a bad fit for the Celtics.  An offensive specialist who can't shoot threes and is a poor defender and mediocre rebounder is just something that the Celtics should avoid acquiring for anything more significant than a bench role.

[saltlover]

Anyways, while I think that Parker is trash, the garbage that the Bucks are most interested in tossing out is Greg Monroe.

Yes, but garbage out, garbage in.  What wing of quality are they going to get for a guy who is 20 years too late for the NBA, and is either going to walk next year if he's still productive, or will pick up his $18 million option for next year if he isn't?  And said wing probably needs to make at least $12 million this season, and be somewhat expendable to his team.

It's why I suggested Wilson Chandler.  I suppose maybe Chandler plus Faried for Monroe? Denver wants to get rid of the manimal supposedly.  But then you've got the Monroe+Jokic on the floor at the same time problem, which we effectively saw in Detroit with Drummond.

They played Henson under 1k minutes last year -- he would seem to be the player of questionable value to trade, given his salary is a good deal lower, and he might still have some upside for the right team.

[alldaboston]

AB for Parker straight up wouldn't be bad.

Del, AB, Giannis, Tele, Monroe

Then when Khris is back
Del, AB, KM, Giannis, Monroe.
Enis, Brogdon, Tele, Henson, Plum

Personally I think Jabari is more valuable than Bradley by a fair margin- especially when it's essentially for a 6 month rental. But yeah I think the Bucks hang up laughing at a Bradley for Parker offer. I can see why plenty of people would take Bradley, and perhaps if they didn't have Middleton then they'd perhaps talk and ask for some more big assets like Rozier+Bradley+Mickey or something. But even that's not enough for me to give up Jabari at this point.

In what universe is Parker more valuable than Bradley?

If you just look at the second half of last year, Parker and Bradley are roughly equally valuable offensively. Parker scored a bit more for a much weaker team, and showed an ability to finish at the rim, but he's a weak rebounder for his position and hasn't shown the ability to shoot 3's at all, so he's never going to be a particularly efficient player until he solves that. Bradley is more limited, but he's quite productive anyway, shoots 3's well and is a better fit for most teams because he improves spacing.

And then there's defense...

The most likely scenario for Parker is to evolve into a 20 ppg scorer who is somewhat inefficient, with limited rebounding and below average defense.

No thanks!

Jabari Parker has the size and youth to still become an All Star, even a top 10 player in the NBA given his size, agility and skill set on offense. I believe he just completed his second season in the NBA?

Avery Bradley does not. He is an elite role player but he's going to be seeking a huge contract in two summers for that elite role playing skill.

Jabari Parker is the more valuable asset, and if you think Danny Ainge wouldn't trade Avery Bradley for Jabari Parker in an instant you need to check your homerism with a thermometer.

Again, this guy finished his second season and has come back from major surgery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPA9mgt8w94

TP

[TheSundanceKid]

I changed my mind....  They really are not high on MCW.    Lets give them a project and a back up PG.   Ad a pick and we get our ET Replacement project.  MCW is a player, selfish.  But maybe he would buy in.   May the best man win in training camp.     


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

I preferred your Henson idea (which I was looking up at the same time).

My idea:

Denver gets:
Jerebko
Hunter
Bentil
Top 10 protected 1st from Milwaukee

Milwaukee gets:
Wilson Chandler
Demetrious Jackson

Boston gets:
John Henson

I feel slightly uncomfortable with that trade which means it fair value. We give up someone who adds shooting to our second string and add someone who would fit quite nicely alongside Horford. Kind of like a cheaper Noel.

Only downside I can see off the bat is it will infringe on our cap space next summer. That could be a blocker for Ainge depending on what direction he is thinking of going

[saltlover]

I changed my mind....  They really are not high on MCW.    Lets give them a project and a back up PG.   Ad a pick and we get our ET Replacement project.  MCW is a player, selfish.  But maybe he would buy in.   May the best man win in training camp.     


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

I preferred your Henson idea (which I was looking up at the same time).

My idea:

Denver gets:
Jerebko
Hunter
Bentil
Top 10 protected 1st from Milwaukee

Milwaukee gets:
Wilson Chandler
Demetrious Jackson

Boston gets:
John Henson

I feel slightly uncomfortable with that trade which means it fair value. We give up someone who adds shooting to our second string and add someone who would fit quite nicely alongside Horford. Kind of like a cheaper Noel.

Only downside I can see off the bat is it will infringe on our cap space next summer. That could be a blocker for Ainge depending on what direction he is thinking of going

As a cap space zealot, that is obviously my primary concern as well.  On the plus side, if Stevens can take Henson's game up a notch, he could be a really, really useful trade piece.  His contract can be traded straight up for Cousins.  The risk is there if he continues to stagnate, but the upside is significant, both for his potential contributions and trade value.  Henson doesn't turn 26 until late December -- improving is not out of the question.

[saltlover]

This doesn't really seem like a replacement to me:

Adrian Wojnarowski
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Houston has traded Michael Beasley to the Bucks for guard Tyler Ennis, league sources tell @TheVertical.

[alldaboston]

This doesn't really seem like a replacement to me:

Adrian Wojnarowski
Adrian Wojnarowski – Verified account ‏@WojVerticalNBA

Houston has traded Michael Beasley to the Bucks for guard Tyler Ennis, league sources tell @TheVertical.

man, i was hoping to see Beasley under D'Antoni

[chambers]

Jabari Parker has the size and youth to still become an All Star, even a top 10 player in the NBA given his size, agility and skill set on offense. I believe he just completed his second season in the NBA?

Parker's skill set is just a bad fit for the Celtics.  An offensive specialist who can't shoot threes and is a poor defender and mediocre rebounder is just something that the Celtics should avoid acquiring for anything more significant than a bench role.

He's struggled shooting threes, but Jason Kidd's offense doesn't exactly encourage 3 point shooting. He's also had to share the floor with Giannis, Middleton, Henson.

He's 21 years old entering his 3rd season and can shoot, score, has elite footwork and ball handling for his size and age.

Dude is an elite prospect.

[Rondo9]

Jabari is better prospect, but he's not a better player than Bradley right now. They need Bradley more than they need Parker.