What would it take to land Nerlens Noel?

[Who]

A mid first rounder should do it.

Maybe only a late first closer to the trade deadline.

[LarBrd33]

A mid first rounder should do it.

Maybe only a late first closer to the trade deadline.

If a mid 1st would have done it, I see very little reason to believe we wouldn't have jumped on trading #16 for him at the draft.  There's no point to Philly doing that.

[Who]

A mid first rounder should do it.

Maybe only a late first closer to the trade deadline.

If a mid 1st would have done it, I see very little reason to believe we wouldn't have jumped on trading #16 for him at the draft.  There's no point to Philly doing that.

Last year of his contract.

They are not going to pay him in 12 months time. And everyone knows it.

His value is a lot lower than it should be.

[LarBrd33]

A mid first rounder should do it.

Maybe only a late first closer to the trade deadline.

If a mid 1st would have done it, I see very little reason to believe we wouldn't have jumped on trading #16 for him at the draft.  There's no point to Philly doing that.

Last year of his contract.

They are not going to pay him in 12 months time. And everyone knows it.

His value is a lot lower than it should be.

Why wouldn't they pay him?  They gotta pay someone... might as well be Noel.

[PAOBoston]

Pass on Noel. No interest in paying what he will command on the open market. Not a real game changer in my book.

[Who]

A mid first rounder should do it.

Maybe only a late first closer to the trade deadline.

If a mid 1st would have done it, I see very little reason to believe we wouldn't have jumped on trading #16 for him at the draft.  There's no point to Philly doing that.

Last year of his contract.

They are not going to pay him in 12 months time. And everyone knows it.

His value is a lot lower than it should be.

Why wouldn't they pay him?  They gotta pay someone... might as well be Noel.

Noel is not in their long term plans. He cannot play with J.Okafor. Or Embiid.

They are not giving Noel a max contract in this situation.

Nor would his trade value improve much beyond where it is now if they did give the max and tried to trade him afterwards.

Noel cannot do much to improve his trade value while playing at PF next to J.Okafor either. Noel needs to be playing 30+ minutes a night at center to raise his value. That is not going to happen.

Philly are blocked in. Not much they can do to change his trade value.

Only option they have is to keep Noel and trade J.Okafor + J.Embiid instead. That would be my choice if I were them. I think Noel is the best player of the trio (after Embiid's injuries). But I do not believe Philly will do that.

[LarBrd33]

A mid first rounder should do it.

Maybe only a late first closer to the trade deadline.

If a mid 1st would have done it, I see very little reason to believe we wouldn't have jumped on trading #16 for him at the draft.  There's no point to Philly doing that.

Last year of his contract.

They are not going to pay him in 12 months time. And everyone knows it.

His value is a lot lower than it should be.

Why wouldn't they pay him?  They gotta pay someone... might as well be Noel.

Noel is not in their long term plans. He cannot play with J.Okafor. Or Embiid.

They are not giving Noel a max contract in this situation.

Nor would his trade value improve much beyond where it is now if they did give the max and tried to trade him afterwards.

All of that is speculation at this point.  They might find that Noel and Okafor flourish together in year 2.  They might find that Noel and Embiid are formidable together defensively.  They might find that Noel is valuable off the bench backing up Okafor and Embiid.   Too early to make a real definitive statement one way or the other... but even retaining him Summer 2017 and then shopping him at the deadline in Feb 2018 is definitely going to net more than they'd get by letting him walk, and I'd assume a lot more more than they'd get by giving him away for a #16 pick just for the sake of trading him.

[Ilikesports17]

A mid first rounder should do it.

Maybe only a late first closer to the trade deadline.

If a mid 1st would have done it, I see very little reason to believe we wouldn't have jumped on trading #16 for him at the draft.  There's no point to Philly doing that.

Last year of his contract.

They are not going to pay him in 12 months time. And everyone knows it.

His value is a lot lower than it should be.

Why wouldn't they pay him?  They gotta pay someone... might as well be Noel.

Noel is not in their long term plans. He cannot play with J.Okafor. Or Embiid.

They are not giving Noel a max contract in this situation.

Nor would his trade value improve much beyond where it is now if they did give the max and tried to trade him afterwards.

All of that is speculation at this point.  They might find that Noel and Okafor flourish together in year 2.  They might find that Noel and Embiid are formidable together defensively.  They might find that Noel is valuable off the bench backing up Okafor and Embiid.   Too early to make a real definitive statement one way or the other... but even retaining him Summer 2017 and then shopping him at the deadline in Feb 2018 is definitely going to net more than they'd get by letting him walk, and I'd assume a lot more more than they'd get by giving him away for a #16 pick just for the sake of trading him.

I disagree with this. Its entirely possible they are forced to overpay him in order to keep him.

[LooseCannon]

It would probably take Embiid proving himself both healthy and good.

[LarBrd33]

A mid first rounder should do it.

Maybe only a late first closer to the trade deadline.

If a mid 1st would have done it, I see very little reason to believe we wouldn't have jumped on trading #16 for him at the draft.  There's no point to Philly doing that.

Last year of his contract.

They are not going to pay him in 12 months time. And everyone knows it.

His value is a lot lower than it should be.

Why wouldn't they pay him?  They gotta pay someone... might as well be Noel.

Noel is not in their long term plans. He cannot play with J.Okafor. Or Embiid.

They are not giving Noel a max contract in this situation.

Nor would his trade value improve much beyond where it is now if they did give the max and tried to trade him afterwards.

All of that is speculation at this point.  They might find that Noel and Okafor flourish together in year 2.  They might find that Noel and Embiid are formidable together defensively.  They might find that Noel is valuable off the bench backing up Okafor and Embiid.   Too early to make a real definitive statement one way or the other... but even retaining him Summer 2017 and then shopping him at the deadline in Feb 2018 is definitely going to net more than they'd get by letting him walk, and I'd assume a lot more more than they'd get by giving him away for a #16 pick just for the sake of trading him.

I disagree with this. Its entirely possible they are forced to overpay him in order to keep him.

Only if someone else is willing to overpay him... which would prove there is a market for him.  No point to letting him walk.  Worst-case, they match an offer and trade him at the deadline like what happened with Tobias Harris last year.   That's a problem for trade deadline 2018.  Not really something they need to worry too much about in Summer 2016.

[Ilikesports17]

A mid first rounder should do it.

Maybe only a late first closer to the trade deadline.

If a mid 1st would have done it, I see very little reason to believe we wouldn't have jumped on trading #16 for him at the draft.  There's no point to Philly doing that.

Last year of his contract.

They are not going to pay him in 12 months time. And everyone knows it.

His value is a lot lower than it should be.

Why wouldn't they pay him?  They gotta pay someone... might as well be Noel.

Noel is not in their long term plans. He cannot play with J.Okafor. Or Embiid.

They are not giving Noel a max contract in this situation.

Nor would his trade value improve much beyond where it is now if they did give the max and tried to trade him afterwards.

All of that is speculation at this point.  They might find that Noel and Okafor flourish together in year 2.  They might find that Noel and Embiid are formidable together defensively.  They might find that Noel is valuable off the bench backing up Okafor and Embiid.   Too early to make a real definitive statement one way or the other... but even retaining him Summer 2017 and then shopping him at the deadline in Feb 2018 is definitely going to net more than they'd get by letting him walk, and I'd assume a lot more more than they'd get by giving him away for a #16 pick just for the sake of trading him.

I disagree with this. Its entirely possible they are forced to overpay him in order to keep him.

Only if someone else is willing to overpay him... which would prove there is a market for him.  No point to letting him walk.  Worst-case, they match an offer and trade him at the deadline like what happened with Tobias Harris last year.   That's a problem for trade deadline 2018.  Not really something they need to worry too much about in Summer 2016.

Its a little different with Harris because he was signed in a rising cap with a max salary that made him basically impossible to overpay. Also, Orlando didnt get Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. for Tobias Harris. Furthermore, Detroit had two supertalented young bigs in Monroe and Drummond. Monroe decided he did not want to be tied into a roster jam where he would be forced to play outside his best position, so he signed the QO and left as a UFA. Lots of parallels there.

[celticsclay]

A mid first rounder should do it.

Maybe only a late first closer to the trade deadline.

This sounds about right

[celticsclay]

A mid first rounder should do it.

Maybe only a late first closer to the trade deadline.

If a mid 1st would have done it, I see very little reason to believe we wouldn't have jumped on trading #16 for him at the draft.  There's no point to Philly doing that.

Last year of his contract.

They are not going to pay him in 12 months time. And everyone knows it.

His value is a lot lower than it should be.

Why wouldn't they pay him?  They gotta pay someone... might as well be Noel.

Noel is not in their long term plans. He cannot play with J.Okafor. Or Embiid.

They are not giving Noel a max contract in this situation.

Nor would his trade value improve much beyond where it is now if they did give the max and tried to trade him afterwards.

All of that is speculation at this point.  They might find that Noel and Okafor flourish together in year 2.  They might find that Noel and Embiid are formidable together defensively.  They might find that Noel is valuable off the bench backing up Okafor and Embiid.   Too early to make a real definitive statement one way or the other... but even retaining him Summer 2017 and then shopping him at the deadline in Feb 2018 is definitely going to net more than they'd get by letting him walk, and I'd assume a lot more more than they'd get by giving him away for a #16 pick just for the sake of trading him.

I disagree with this. Its entirely possible they are forced to overpay him in order to keep him.

Only if someone else is willing to overpay him... which would prove there is a market for him.  No point to letting him walk.  Worst-case, they match an offer and trade him at the deadline like what happened with Tobias Harris last year.   That's a problem for trade deadline 2018.  Not really something they need to worry too much about in Summer 2016.

Its a little different with Harris because he was signed in a rising cap with a max salary that made him basically impossible to overpay. Also, Orlando didnt get **** for Tobias Harris. Furthermore, Detroit had two supertalented young bigs in Monroe and Drummond. Monroe decided he did not want to be tied into a roster jam where he would be forced to play outside his best position, so he signed the QO and left as a UFA. Lots of parallels there.

but that isn't the ideal outcome for philly so a guy with hinkie as his profile pic doesn't want to discuss the possibility

[LarBrd33]

Marcus Smart and a 1st probably gets it done

[jpotter33]

Marcus Smart and a 1st probably gets it done

I've decided that from now on I'm only going to respond to your posts in memes or gifs. That's the only way I can properly demonstrate my angst when you say these types of things.