Epic Retirement summer

[Moranis]

Duncan, Bryant, and Stoudemire have all retired.  Pierce and Garnett are considering retirement.  If both retire, that would make 5 HOFers retiring, including 3 that are widely considered top 5 players all time at their position (TD, Kobe, KG).  And yes Amar'e is a HOFer, at least according to the HOF probability monitor at basketball-reference.  Then you have Chris Bosh who may be forced into medical retirement.  He too is a HOFer. 

Not even considering Bosh, do you recall a summer where 5 HOFers all retired?

[kozlodoev]

Stoudemire elected to sign with NY(!) to retire. I found that odd given the amount of time he spent in Phoenix. Oh well.

[hpantazo]

What about Manu Ginobili? He's considering retirement too isn't he? And he is a future hall of famer as well.

[fairweatherfan]

What about Manu Ginobili? He's considering retirement too isn't he? And he is a future hall of famer as well.

Signed a 1 year deal for big $, he's coming back.

[A Future of Stevens]

Ive heard that stat probably wont make it to the hall.

[ChillyWilly]

Stoudemire is a HOFer in my book. I think lots of people are down on his career because he looked like a Tim Ducan type of generational player but injuries slowed down the middle-endish of his career. Not all HOFers are the Kobes, Ducans and Birds of the world.

Stoudmire was a force in Pho and I feel him and Nash made each other HOFers.

Bottom tier HOFer but HOFer none the less.

[PhoSita]

Stoudemire elected to sign with NY(!) to retire. I found that odd given the amount of time he spent in Phoenix. Oh well.

I suspect it meant a lot to Amare that for at least half a season or so, he was "the man" for the Knicks.  Perhaps he also sees himself as a big reason why Carmelo forced his way to New York.


STAT was an amazing player at his height.  Longevity is his biggest issue w/ respect to making the HoF.

[hpantazo]

What about Manu Ginobili? He's considering retirement too isn't he? And he is a future hall of famer as well.

Signed a 1 year deal for big $, he's coming back.

Wow, I'm surprised. 39 year old Manu is coming back to a team without Timmy? Interesting.

[snively]

What about Manu Ginobili? He's considering retirement too isn't he? And he is a future hall of famer as well.

Signed a 1 year deal for big $, he's coming back.

Wow, I'm surprised. 39 year old Manu is coming back to a team without Timmy? Interesting.

Manu's made less and he looked a bit less done down the stretch.

For my money, Manu's always been the most entertaining Spur.

[bdm860]

Unfortunately guys like Dirk and Manu already messed up what could have been hands down the most epic HoF class of all time, but oh well.

Interesting question though on 5 HoFers retiring the same summer, so I quickly ran through basketball-reference.  Note, these aren't all the same HoF class, but represent the last season they played.  Also several players got in as coaches, not players, but I listed them anyway, while others had to wait 20, 30, 40 years before they were enshrined.  Anyway here's what I saw:


2003: Jordan, Robinson, Stockton, Sabonis (and years from now we'll probably be able to add Steve Kerr to this year as a coach)

1984: Elvin Hayes, Bob Lanier, Tiny Archibald, David Thompson

1980: Rick Barry, Earl Monroe, Pete Maravich, Walt Frazier, Phil Jackson

1976: Billy Cunningham, Don Nelson, Jerry Sloan, Connie Hawkins, Pat Riley

1974: Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Dave DeBusschere, Jerry Lucas, Willis Reed

1973: Wilt Chamberlain, Hal Greer, Gus Johnson, Satch Sanders


To me, personally, it looks like '03 and '74 are up there in terms of "wow" factor.   No clue how I'd rank them.

[Moranis]

Stoudemire elected to sign with NY(!) to retire. I found that odd given the amount of time he spent in Phoenix. Oh well.

Apparently he reached out to Phoenix but they never responded.

[PhoSita]

What about Manu Ginobili? He's considering retirement too isn't he? And he is a future hall of famer as well.

Signed a 1 year deal for big $, he's coming back.

Wow, I'm surprised. 39 year old Manu is coming back to a team without Timmy? Interesting.

I think the thing is, Manu was much closer last year to the player he was in the past than Timmy was last year.  Timmy retired because his knees just wouldn't let him play anymore.

Important to remember, Manu entered the league at age 25 and has only played 14 years, despite his advanced age.  He's only averaged 26 minutes per game over his career.  Far less wear and tear for him, even with all of his international play, than Duncan had at the same age.

Wouldn't shock me at all if next year is when Manu's game finally goes off a cliff, though.

[PhoSita]

Stoudemire elected to sign with NY(!) to retire. I found that odd given the amount of time he spent in Phoenix. Oh well.

Apparently he reached out to Phoenix but they never responded.

I've really come to dislike Phoenix.  Terrible owner, chaotic management.  Used to be one of my favorite franchises.  Everything has gone to hell since they traded Nash.

Just can't overcome that karma hit, man.  Don't trade your beloved franchise player to a despised rival. 

[2short]

Unfortunately guys like Dirk and Manu already messed up what could have been hands down the most epic HoF class of all time, but oh well.

Interesting question though on 5 HoFers retiring the same summer, so I quickly ran through basketball-reference.  Note, these aren't all the same HoF class, but represent the last season they played.  Also several players got in as coaches, not players, but I listed them anyway, while others had to wait 20, 30, 40 years before they were enshrined.  Anyway here's what I saw:


2003: Jordan, Robinson, Stockton, Sabonis (and years from now we'll probably be able to add Steve Kerr to this year as a coach)

1984: Elvin Hayes,  Bob Lanier, Tiny Archibald, David Thompson

1980: Rick Barry, Earl Monroe, Pete Maravich, Walt Frazier, Phil Jackson

1976: Billy Cunningham, Don Nelson, Jerry Sloan, Connie Hawkins, Pat Riley

1974: Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Dave DeBusschere, Jerry Lucas, Willis Reed

1973: Wilt Chamberlain, Hal Greer, Gus Johnson, Satch Sanders


To me, personally, it looks like '03 and '74 are up there in terms of "wow" factor.   No clue how I'd rank them.

pretty cool, originally i was looking at elvin hayes group tø win in game
really liking the 74 group though

[Granath]

What about Manu Ginobili? He's considering retirement too isn't he? And he is a future hall of famer as well.

I'm not sure if Manu makes the HoF. On the face of it he doesn't. 2 time All Star. Never averaged 20 ppg. Never averaged 5 rebounds a game. Never averaged 5 assists a game. Started only 1/3rd of the games he's ever played in. His core stats are quite good but not anywhere near hall-worthy.
 
Because he was on great teams (and he was a significant part of those teams) many advanced metrics like win shares like him quite a bit. Of course, he also has the championships. But it's going to be tough to put an off-the-bench guy with decent but not great statistics in the HoF. Not to mention that Parker and Duncan are already locks.

If this were the older days (like the Celtics players of the 60s), he'd have a better chance. But in a 30 team league with guys who have markedly better statistics? He'll just be seen as a very good but complimentary role player and to get in the HOF he's going to have to buy a ticket like most everyone else. If he does get in, he'll get in like Dennis Rodman got in - on the coattails of better players and being fortunate enough to play with all-time greats.