is mickey missing something

[Chris22]

Another case of us getting a player who is too small or weak for his position.

[Evantime34]

Mickey looked like a guy who tried to bulk up in the offseason and lost explosiveness. I'm hoping that he is able to continue to work out this summer in order to keep his added bulk and regain his previous explosiveness.

[Eddie20]

Mickey looked like a guy who tried to bulk up in the offseason and lost explosiveness. I'm hoping that he is able to continue to work out this summer in order to keep his added bulk and regain his previous explosiveness.

I noticed the same thing too, especially on his lateral quickness. The ironic thing is that he was pushed around just as easy as he was before and continued to struggle getting position/rebounds when bodied.

[Granath]

Another case of us getting a player who is too small or weak for his position.

Yeah!

Case #1: IT
He's so small he can't be an impact player. Guys his size don't succeed in the NBA.
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<sees 22 points, 6 assists per game, All Star>
Oh wait, bad example...


Case #2: Avery Bradley
Totally undersized at SG, he can't defend guys.
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<All NBA 1st Team Defender>
Oh wait, bad example....


Case #3: Jae Crowder
Totally undersized at SF/PF at 6'5 and not much of an athlete. Bigger guys will shoot over him and quicker guys will go around him. Both an offensive and defensive liability.
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<14 ppg and one of the better defenders in the league>
Oh wait, bad example...


When are some people going to learn that height in the NBA isn't everything?

Mickey is a 2nd round pick - guys like that are about an 80% wash out rate - and he's hanging around. So what is Mickey missing? Playing time. Let's see what a healthy Jordan Mickey does in an organized, team-oriented defensive scheme before passing judgement, shall we?

[Eddie20]

Another case of us getting a player who is too small or weak for his position.

Yeah!

Case #1: IT
He's so small he can't be an impact player. Guys his size don't succeed in the NBA.
<checks notes>
<sees 22 points, 6 assists per game, All Star>
Oh wait, bad example...


Case #2: Avery Bradley
Totally undersized at SG, he can't defend guys.
<checks notes>
<All NBA 1st Team Defender>
Oh wait, bad example....


Case #3: Jae Crowder
Totally undersized at SF/PF at 6'5 and not much of an athlete. Bigger guys will shoot over him and quicker guys will go around him. Both an offensive and defensive liability.
<checks notes>
<14 ppg and one of the better defenders in the league>
Oh wait, bad example...


When are some people going to learn that height in the NBA isn't everything?

Mickey is a 2nd round pick - guys like that are about an 80% wash out rate - and he's hanging around. So what is Mickey missing? Playing time. Let's see what a healthy Jordan Mickey does in an organized, team-oriented defensive scheme before passing judgement, shall we?

Really bad examples, man. I agree size isn't everything, but Mickey hasn't shown any ability whatsoever to defend players bigger than him. He just simply hasn't. Your argument would have much more validity if he was actually able to rebound and defend inside and we would be critical despite his performance. That's not the case, and we are critical because of his performance.

[rollie mass]

maybe the linkage is his shoulder,kinda a critical joint for a shot blocker -maybe he was a little gun shy-

[BitterJim]

Another case of us getting a player who is too small or weak for his position.

Yeah!

Case #1: IT
He's so small he can't be an impact player. Guys his size don't succeed in the NBA.
<checks notes>
<sees 22 points, 6 assists per game, All Star>
Oh wait, bad example...


Case #2: Avery Bradley
Totally undersized at SG, he can't defend guys.
<checks notes>
<All NBA 1st Team Defender>
Oh wait, bad example....


Case #3: Jae Crowder
Totally undersized at SF/PF at 6'5 and not much of an athlete. Bigger guys will shoot over him and quicker guys will go around him. Both an offensive and defensive liability.
<checks notes>
<14 ppg and one of the better defenders in the league>
Oh wait, bad example...


When are some people going to learn that height in the NBA isn't everything?

Mickey is a 2nd round pick - guys like that are about an 80% wash out rate - and he's hanging around. So what is Mickey missing? Playing time. Let's see what a healthy Jordan Mickey does in an organized, team-oriented defensive scheme before passing judgement, shall we?

People get mad when we don't select guys with great size, but picking late in the draft you have 2 choices: guys with skills but not great size, who (usually) will either always be undersized but are skilled enough to play bit roles or will make up for their size issues with great skill (like IT and AB)

On the other hand, you can take players with great size for their position but no real NBA skills, like Fab Melo, Colton Iverson, or Festus Ezeli.  The two (usual) results for these players are either being a bust (like Fab Melo) because they never actually learn to play basketball, or learning how to play and turning out to be really great picks.

I hate when people act like Danny loves undersized players more than if they had great size.  He would obviously prefer if AB was 6'7" or Mickey was 6'11", but if that were the case then we would never have been in a position to take them.  He just prefers undersized guys with skills and a great motor to guys with great size who may never be NBA players

[hwangjini_1]

Another case of us getting a player who is too small or weak for his position.

yeah, for some reason ainge used a second round pick for mickey instead of getting a great player with great size and strength. there were so many great players available then that it makes you wonder what ainge was thinking. 

[Ed Hollison]

Agree with the last couple comments. Complaining about a player's shortcomings when he was drafted at #31 (or whatever Mickey was) is shortsighted.

About how he matches up with bigger players: This is not the type of player you substitute in to guard Timofey Mozgov. This is the type of player that comes off the bench to help guard other teams’ small-ball lineups.

Mickey is cheap and still developing. He’s a good defender in terms of blocking shots and switching on the pick and roll onto smaller guys. He extended his range out to 3 in his rookie year and was one of the best players in the D-league.

If he develops, he’ll be a nice little small-ball 5 off the bench making virtually nothing, under team control for the next 3 years, and then you have his Bird rights. Not bad.

[Granath]

Another case of us getting a player who is too small or weak for his position.

Yeah!

Case #1: IT
He's so small he can't be an impact player. Guys his size don't succeed in the NBA.
<checks notes>
<sees 22 points, 6 assists per game, All Star>
Oh wait, bad example...


Case #2: Avery Bradley
Totally undersized at SG, he can't defend guys.
<checks notes>
<All NBA 1st Team Defender>
Oh wait, bad example....


Case #3: Jae Crowder
Totally undersized at SF/PF at 6'5 and not much of an athlete. Bigger guys will shoot over him and quicker guys will go around him. Both an offensive and defensive liability.
<checks notes>
<14 ppg and one of the better defenders in the league>
Oh wait, bad example...


When are some people going to learn that height in the NBA isn't everything?

Mickey is a 2nd round pick - guys like that are about an 80% wash out rate - and he's hanging around. So what is Mickey missing? Playing time. Let's see what a healthy Jordan Mickey does in an organized, team-oriented defensive scheme before passing judgement, shall we?

Really bad examples, man. I agree size isn't everything, but Mickey hasn't shown any ability whatsoever to defend players bigger than him. He just simply hasn't. Your argument would have much more validity if he was actually able to rebound and defend inside and we would be critical despite his performance. That's not the case, and we are critical because of his performance.

No, he was being critical of his size (and/or strength). I just responded with a number of cases where that worked out well for us. So the examples are fine.

If we're basing his performance off of NBA SL - where defenses are exceptionally basic and interior size matters more than skill - then that's a very small and poor sample to use. I have no great hopes that Mickey is an interior stalwart for the Cs. You'd have to be a [dang] fool to pin your hopes on a 2nd round pick to be that guy. But I'm also not willing to pass judgement on his skill set based on a very small sample in a poor format with the guy just coming off injury.