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Re: If Brook Lopez were out for 2016-17, how many games do the Nets win?
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2016, 10:20:12 PM »

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I think the Nets will run almost everything through Brook now that Joe and Young are gone.

Give him 20-25 shots a game and try and bump up his trade value by the trade deadline, pray he doesn't get injured, then trade him for a pick if the offer is right. Other than that they'll hold on until draft night and move him then.
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Re: If Brook Lopez were out for 2016-17, how many games do the Nets win?
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2016, 10:43:17 PM »

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I think the Nets will run almost everything through Brook now that Joe and Young are gone.

Give him 20-25 shots a game and try and bump up his trade value by the trade deadline, pray he doesn't get injured, then trade him for a pick if the offer is right. Other than that they'll hold on until draft night and move him then.

That makes sense for them. Portland, or New York, or Houston, or um..Sacramento?
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Re: If Brook Lopez were out for 2016-17, how many games do the Nets win?
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2016, 10:59:57 PM »

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I think the Nets will run almost everything through Brook now that Joe and Young are gone.

Give him 20-25 shots a game and try and bump up his trade value by the trade deadline, pray he doesn't get injured, then trade him for a pick if the offer is right. Other than that they'll hold on until draft night and move him then.

That makes sense for them. Portland, or New York, or Houston, or um..Sacramento?

He seems like a Houston-ish pick up to me too. Not sure what kinda assets Sac has unless they're making a Cousins trade, NY is paying insane money to Noah, I guess  I could see NO making a play since they like Davis at PF. Hield might center that package, BKN could use some shooting on the wing though personally I'd want more than just Hield. PHX would make sense if they didn't have such a logjam up front.

It seems like the teams who need Centers area bit low on assets.

Re: If Brook Lopez were out for 2016-17, how many games do the Nets win?
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2016, 11:02:23 PM »

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16-18, Scola could hold down the fort and if they simply thing with that Kid McCullough he could be a bouncy 5 who can get out and run.

They'll actually have guards this year too.
They might not win that WITH Lopez.
please explain to me how that team got 5 games worse this offseason. Delusional.

Well they lost Thad Young and Joe Johnson, and Jack I think.
I think just losing Young and Johnson and replacing them with those guys is good for 5 less wins. All Depends how Lopez plays. Because Young and Johnson/Jack are all gone, more offense might flow through Brook which is probably more efficient offense.

Losing Young will hurt them a lot though because although Scola looked okay for Toronto when Carroll got hurt, he was a black hole on defense even with those okay defenders around him.
Scola with that pathetic defense Nets team will be a disaster.

Joe Johnson and Jack were terrible last year. Jack is awful, and has been for multiple years now.

Thad Young has been on a bottom 3 team every year since the fall of 2013. He's so overrated.

They actually have NBA caliber PG play, they'll get Hollis-Jefferson back, they'll have a massive improvement in coaching, and again I'm not sure that Booker isn't just as good as Thad is anyways.

Re: If Brook Lopez were out for 2016-17, how many games do the Nets win?
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2016, 11:09:44 PM »

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Re: If Brook Lopez were out for 2016-17, how many games do the Nets win?
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2016, 11:17:17 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2016, 11:30:25 PM »

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10. I think they have an outside chance at one of the worst records ever, but I'm not sure any team really projects much lower than that. Any team ever assembled wins games here or there, but they'd be pretty <dang> bad. They wouldn't have a single guy who has any business scoring 15 points per night, AND they would only have 1 above average defender.

Put Smart/Bradley on Lin, Crowder on Bojan, and there are nights we'd beat them by 50.

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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2016, 11:53:19 PM »

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16-18, Scola could hold down the fort and if they simply thing with that Kid McCullough he could be a bouncy 5 who can get out and run.

They'll actually have guards this year too.
They might not win that WITH Lopez.
please explain to me how that team got 5 games worse this offseason. Delusional.
Lol. Still confident after nobody in this entire thread agrees with you? Ill put money down that the Nets don't win 18 games, and I don't care who gets hurt. Put your money where your mouth is, pal.
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Re: If Brook Lopez were out for 2016-17, how many games do the Nets win?
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2016, 01:18:41 AM »

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Just as many as they would with him. He stinks and so do they.

Re: If Brook Lopez were out for 2016-17, how many games do the Nets win?
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2016, 01:29:17 AM »

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16-18, Scola could hold down the fort and if they simply thing with that Kid McCullough he could be a bouncy 5 who can get out and run.

They'll actually have guards this year too.
They might not win that WITH Lopez.
please explain to me how that team got 5 games worse this offseason. Delusional.
Lol. Still confident after nobody in this entire thread agrees with you? Ill put money down that the Nets don't win 18 games, and I don't care who gets hurt. Put your money where your mouth is, pal.

The difference of course being that they're enormously biased, and I'm not. They won 21 last year with the worst coach not named Byron Scott, nothing at PG and their only wing defender injured.

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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2016, 01:41:02 AM »

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Over the last 5 years, the worst team in the NBA has averaged 14 wins. Nets according to Las Vegas are the worst team in the NBA according to Championship betting odds of 500-1 vs the next worst team (PHX) at 300-1. Those betting odds would be lower if the Nets were in the West.

14 wins would be a reasonable benchmark for them with Lopez, 10 or under without him. Either way, the worst team in the NBA in most people's eyes now that Sixers have Simmons, Embiid, Saric, and new management. The Nets are three years away from being able to start rebuilding in the summer of 2019. The Nets new GM is at least making smart moves, but he's effed.

Re: If Brook Lopez were out for 2016-17, how many games do the Nets win?
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2016, 01:45:34 AM »

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Over the last 5 years, the worst team in the NBA has averaged 14 wins. Nets according to Las Vegas are the worst team in the NBA according to Championship betting odds of 500-1 vs the next worst team (PHX) at 300-1. Those betting odds would be lower if the Nets were in the West.

14 wins would be a reasonable benchmark for them with Lopez, 10 or under without him. Either way, the worst team in the NBA in most people's eyes now that Sixers have Simmons, Embiid, Saric, and new management. The Nets are three years away from being able to start rebuilding in the summer of 2019. The Nets new GM is at least making smart moves, but he's effed.

All of those teams we're tanking and had first round picks, and few of them had a 1-5 PnR combo like Lin and Lopez.

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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2016, 02:17:51 AM »

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Over the last 5 years, the worst team in the NBA has averaged 14 wins. Nets according to Las Vegas are the worst team in the NBA according to Championship betting odds of 500-1 vs the next worst team (PHX) at 300-1. Those betting odds would be lower if the Nets were in the West.

14 wins would be a reasonable benchmark for them with Lopez, 10 or under without him. Either way, the worst team in the NBA in most people's eyes now that Sixers have Simmons, Embiid, Saric, and new management. The Nets are three years away from being able to start rebuilding in the summer of 2019. The Nets new GM is at least making smart moves, but he's effed.

All of those teams we're tanking and had first round picks, and few of them had a 1-5 PnR combo like Lin and Lopez.

Lin's an average player though.
He's a back up point guard with below average efficiency on the offensive end and horrid defense with below average athleticism.

Think about it this way:
1)Their subtractions outweigh their additions
2)their competition for the bottom of the nba basement ir 76ers, nughets, Lakers etc have for the most part, all improved via players or coaching changes.

They'll struggle to get 20 wins this year.
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Re: If Brook Lopez were out for 2016-17, how many games do the Nets win?
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2016, 02:29:22 AM »

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Over the last 5 years, the worst team in the NBA has averaged 14 wins. Nets according to Las Vegas are the worst team in the NBA according to Championship betting odds of 500-1 vs the next worst team (PHX) at 300-1. Those betting odds would be lower if the Nets were in the West.

14 wins would be a reasonable benchmark for them with Lopez, 10 or under without him. Either way, the worst team in the NBA in most people's eyes now that Sixers have Simmons, Embiid, Saric, and new management. The Nets are three years away from being able to start rebuilding in the summer of 2019. The Nets new GM is at least making smart moves, but he's effed.

All of those teams we're tanking and had first round picks, and few of them had a 1-5 PnR combo like Lin and Lopez.

Lin's an average player though.
He's a back up point guard with below average efficiency on the offensive end and horrid defense with below average athleticism.

Think about it this way:
1)Their subtractions outweigh their additions
2)their competition for the bottom of the nba basement ir 76ers, nughets, Lakers etc have for the most part, all improved via players or coaching changes.

They'll struggle to get 20 wins this year.

Lin is an average player, bad teams typically don't have . Look at who he's replacing though. Not average player, not below average players, awful players. Vasquez too.

Who are their significant subtractions? A fringe starter at PF and ball dominant old SG neither of t played good defense? Trevor Booker might be better for all we know, he posted a 2.3 DBPM last year and that team had way bigger defensive issues than offensive ones. RHJ should be of assistance on defense, and maybe one or two of their young guys show something.

Are they going to be bad? Yeah, they're going to suck, almost a lock for a top 3 pick(lottery position wise anyways). Are they going to win 7 fewer games by upgrading their two biggest weaknesses in coaching and PG? No, probably not. The entire bottom of the NBA can win more games. There have been seasons where the worst team wins 20+ games. 

Re: If Brook Lopez were out for 2016-17, how many games do the Nets win?
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2016, 02:39:25 AM »

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Atkinson is a good coach. Lin is very underrated here. He's good. Losing Thad hurts, and their defense sucks, but their offseason wasn't a total flop. Guys saying 10-15 wins, cmon. This team will, in my opinion, win at least 20 games, or just below that.
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