Crowder vs Brown

[Tr1boy]

Can Brown beat Crowder for the starting job this season? Maybe after the all star break?

If this happens Crowders trade value will sink a bit.

[cornbread1981]

I doubt it, jaylen still has alot to learn in his basketball decisions and all around game, crowder has one of the most sound defensive games in the league and it'll be hard for jaylen to surpass it in his first year. I would much rather jaylen comes in off the bench so he can play when the opponent is in the foul limit and their bench unit is in.

[hwangjini_1]

Can Brown beat Crowder for the starting job this season? Maybe after the all star break?

If this happens Crowders trade value will sink a bit.

Maybe.
Perhaps.
No.

[BitterJim]

Can Brown beat Crowder for the starting job this season? Maybe after the all star break?

If this happens Crowders trade value will sink a bit.

Unless Brown finds his stroke and starts hitting 3s at a better rate than Crowder, or gets to the line as much as in summer league, no.

He could end up starting next to Crowder if none of our bigs besides Horford are effective, and could definitely take it by the following season, but, baring Crowder getting injured, Brown won't start over him

[celticsfan8591]

I doubt it, but if brown does play as well/better than crowder, I'd rather see them playing together at the forward spots than have one come off the bench.

[Tr1boy]

I doubt it, but if brown does play as well/better than crowder, I'd rather see them playing together at the forward spots than have one come off the bench.

How? None are pfs

[BitterJim]

I doubt it, but if brown does play as well/better than crowder, I'd rather see them playing together at the forward spots than have one come off the bench.

How? None are pfs

Crowder played a bit at PF last year.  He doesn't have the height for it, and can't play there full time, but in spurts his strength lets him play there, especially against perimeter-oriented bigs

Edit: According to Basketball Reference, he played 22% of his minutes at PF during the regular season, and 64%(!) at PF during the playoffs

[Tr1boy]

Can Brown beat Crowder for the starting job this season? Maybe after the all star break?

If this happens Crowders trade value will sink a bit.

Unless Brown finds his stroke and starts hitting 3s at a better rate than Crowder, or gets to the line as much as in summer league, no.

He could end up starting next to Crowder if none of our bigs besides Horford are effective, and could definitely take it by the following season, but, baring Crowder getting injured, Brown won't start over him

No. This is not a measure who shoots the three better

Crowder needs to hit jump shots bc he cant finish at the basket (1 on 1 basketball)

Brown can

[BitterJim]

Can Brown beat Crowder for the starting job this season? Maybe after the all star break?

If this happens Crowders trade value will sink a bit.

Unless Brown finds his stroke and starts hitting 3s at a better rate than Crowder, or gets to the line as much as in summer league, no.

He could end up starting next to Crowder if none of our bigs besides Horford are effective, and could definitely take it by the following season, but, baring Crowder getting injured, Brown won't start over him

No. This is not a measure who shoots the three better

It's about a lot of things, including their ability to stretch the floor.  Brown doesn't have to hit 3s better to replace Jae (as I said in the post), but it'll be a lot harder to take the starting job if he can't

Crowder needs to hit jump shots bc he cant finish at the basket (1 on 1 basketball)

Brown can

Crowder shot at just over 70% within 3 ft of the basket, making up over 27% of his shots attempted.  I don't know how you could possibly say he can't finish inside.  Brown, on the other hand, hasn't shown a consistent ability to finish inside.  I think he'll figure it out eventually, but he hasn't yet and he certainly isn't better than Crowder at it right now

Not to mention that everybody on this team needs to be able to make shots away from the basket, that's part of Brad's system

[BigDogPitbull]

64% in the playoffs?  That could be a big reason why we lost to Atlanta.  A trade for another big man needs to be done before the playoffs next year.

[max215]

I think that's extremely unlikely.

[chiken Green]

64% in the playoffs?  That could be a big reason why we lost to Atlanta.  A trade for another big man needs to be done before the playoffs next year.

No KO, No Bradley, Crowder playing with severe High Ankle Strain, Sully overweight and out of gas is the reason why we lost to Atlanta.

[Tr1boy]

Can Brown beat Crowder for the starting job this season? Maybe after the all star break?

If this happens Crowders trade value will sink a bit.

Unless Brown finds his stroke and starts hitting 3s at a better rate than Crowder, or gets to the line as much as in summer league, no.

He could end up starting next to Crowder if none of our bigs besides Horford are effective, and could definitely take it by the following season, but, baring Crowder getting injured, Brown won't start over him

No. This is not a measure who shoots the three better

It's about a lot of things, including their ability to stretch the floor.  Brown doesn't have to hit 3s better to replace Jae (as I said in the post), but it'll be a lot harder to take the starting job if he can't

Crowder needs to hit jump shots bc he cant finish at the basket (1 on 1 basketball)

Brown can

Crowder shot at just over 70% within 3 ft of the basket, making up over 27% of his shots attempted.  I don't know how you could possibly say he can't finish inside.  Brown, on the other hand, hasn't shown a consistent ability to finish inside.  I think he'll figure it out eventually, but he hasn't yet and he certainly isn't better than Crowder at it right now

Not to mention that everybody on this team needs to be able to make shots away from the basket, that's part of Brad's system

Stretching the floor needs to happen if you have guys that cant do the "spectacular" otherwise

How many times have we seen teams play solid perimeter team D/while preventing the drive? (Especially the playoffs)

Crowder ability to finish at the rim depends on him getting passes/picks.  Have his man come late to defend where Jae drives to the basket.    If jae had a solid defender on him he wont try to drive past them. Nor when a solid rim protector is patrolling the basket.  But i give him credit to know when to pick his spots and drive in to finish when things are clear

Brown on the other hand is the kind of guy you can give the ball and get out the way. And he can finish around/over defenders.  In crucial situations any team can use a guy like this.

Lastly Brown didnt look like he could finish consistently around the basket during SL play because he was fouled non stop

[Tr1boy]

I agree Brown needs to prove his worth over Jae. But clearly he is a better talent/higher upside

Its almost like comparing carroll to batum. Sure carroll is a hard worker but at the end of the day Batum is better

[Sketch5]

I could see him getting a start in place of an injured AB. He has guard speed with good size, he could do really well there. Plus he could get the starters in foul trouble in the first half of the game.

It's all going to depend on his summer, how he improves. In SL he made some good jumps from game one to the last game. But there is also no reason to rush him. It's better he learns the right way and takes a year or two to be a starter than just to throw him in before he's ready.