Ivica Zubac: huge miss by the Celtics

[CelticsJG]

Ante going to be better

[Big333223]

Are we really calling draft misses based on summer league?  Not to mention that Zizic didn't play, and could very well have done better than Zubac if he had.  It's one thing to say that you really like Zubac and think he'll be a good player, or that you wished we had taken him, but saying that we screwed up by taking Zizic over him makes no sense

I'm not sure why the thread continued after this post.

[greece66]

Let's wait until these guys play a single NBA game before reaching big conclusions.

Also, as BitterJim suggests, commenters often forget that a team's roster only has 15 spots...

[Future Celtics Owner]

We can all agree Yab was an absolute dumb move that made no sense. Also giving up the 31 and 35 was stupid and those 3 picks are basically in the dumpster......you don't rebuild a team by throwing away picks and missing value.

[elcotte]

We can all agree Yab was an absolute dumb move that made no sense. Also giving up the 31 and 35 was stupid and those 3 picks are basically in the dumpster......you don't rebuild a team by throwing away picks and missing value.

no. we don't all agree with it.

[Ilikesports17]

We can all agree Yab was an absolute dumb move that made no sense. Also giving up the 31 and 35 was stupid and those 3 picks are basically in the dumpster......you don't rebuild a team by throwing away picks and missing value.

no. we don't all agree with it.

^

[rochrist]

We can all agree Yab was an absolute dumb move that made no sense. Also giving up the 31 and 35 was stupid and those 3 picks are basically in the dumpster......you don't rebuild a team by throwing away picks and missing value.

No, we pretty much can't all agree.

[Emmette Bryant]

We can all agree Yab was an absolute dumb move that made no sense. Also giving up the 31 and 35 was stupid and those 3 picks are basically in the dumpster......you don't rebuild a team by throwing away picks and missing value.

No I don't agree with you at all.  You should think before you post this kind of stuff.

[alldaboston]

We can all agree Yab was an absolute dumb move that made no sense. Also giving up the 31 and 35 was stupid and those 3 picks are basically in the dumpster......you don't rebuild a team by throwing away picks and missing value.

nah

[vjcsmoke]

We can all agree Yab was an absolute dumb move that made no sense. Also giving up the 31 and 35 was stupid and those 3 picks are basically in the dumpster......you don't rebuild a team by throwing away picks and missing value.

No, we can't agree.  You are free to have your own opinion of course.
Yab and Zizic are both overseas stashes.

So that means:
1. They don't take up roster spots. 
2.  We save money. 
3.  We can develop the young players and prospects we do have with the minutes available.  Example - look at the Kings and the Sixers.  They have logjams at their big positions and now either have to sell low, or watch some of their young, highly drafted prospects suffer in terms of development. 
4.  We are a playoff team right now.  It's better to have youngster develop off the team in foreign leagues than in the NBADL which I feel is lacking in competition.  I mean how many guys have we sent to the NBADL outside of Rozier have actually developed?

[RockinRyA]

Are we really calling draft misses based on summer league?  Not to mention that Zizic didn't play, and could very well have done better than Zubac if he had.  It's one thing to say that you really like Zubac and think he'll be a good player, or that you wished we had taken him, but saying that we screwed up by taking Zizic over him makes no sense

I feel totally comfortable pointing out that Zubac is a better player than both Jared Sullenger and Tyler Zeller right now based on his summer league performance as well as his professional career in Europe.  He could step in and play 18 minutes a night as a center for the Celtics immediately.  This is not even a "risky prediction" since we're going to see him do exactly that for the Lakers this year - they currently believe in him so much that they have no plan B at center.

I'm not saying we screwed up by taking Zizic - I'm saying we screwed up by NOT taking Zubac.  Try to wrap your head around the idea that we had eight draft picks and had the opportunity to draft multiple impact players THIS YEAR.  Since the Celtics made repeated claims of exhaustively scouting the Euro prospects I find it hard to believe that they whiffed that badly on a guy who was one of four Euro centers available and lasted into the second round.   

If he was some raw prospect who wasn't going to be ready to play a role in the NBA for several years (think Young, Hunter, Mickey, Yabu, Zizic, Bentel, Jackson) I could understand passing on him to avoid having to keep him on the roster, but this a 7'2 260 lbs shot-blocker with a post-game...  He's NBA ready right now and has a skillset that people on this board have been clamoring for for ages. 

There's not really an excuse available that justifies the Celtics trading their two top second round picks away and missing on a player who would A. Make an NBA impact this year, B. Is 19 and has as much potential to improve as any other 19 year old player. C.  Has more trade value today than he did when he was drafted. 

Furthermore, many people on this board are creaming themselves over the possibility of trading first round picks and prospects for Jahil Okafor who had a similar impact in summer league to Zubac last year.

You just lost your credibility.

BTW, a team can only have 15 players on their roster. You and Future Celtics Owner think the celtics have 20+ roster space.

[greece66]

We can all agree Yab was an absolute dumb move that made no sense. Also giving up the 31 and 35 was stupid and those 3 picks are basically in the dumpster......you don't rebuild a team by throwing away picks and missing value.

No, we can't agree.  You are free to have your own opinion of course.
Yab and Zizic are both overseas stashes.

So that means:
1. They don't take up roster spots. 
2.  We save money. 
3.  We can develop the young players and prospects we do have with the minutes available.  Example - look at the Kings and the Sixers.  They have logjams at their big positions and now either have to sell low, or watch some of their young, highly drafted prospects suffer in terms of development. 
4.  We are a playoff team right now.  It's better to have youngster develop off the team in foreign leagues than in the NBADL which I feel is lacking in competition.  I mean how many guys have we sent to the NBADL outside of Rozier have actually developed?

I agree with the gist of this post only have some doubts about /2/

I mean, they still count towards our salary cap if I'm not mistaken.

And yes, sure we do not pay their salaries now, but a/ they are peanuts and b/ some others will have to take their place in the roster - and they will have to get paid ofc

I'm splitting hair here, I know, but as I said I otherwise agree with the comment.

[RockinRyA]

We can all agree Yab was an absolute dumb move that made no sense. Also giving up the 31 and 35 was stupid and those 3 picks are basically in the dumpster......you don't rebuild a team by throwing away picks and missing value.

No, we can't agree.  You are free to have your own opinion of course.
Yab and Zizic are both overseas stashes.

So that means:
1. They don't take up roster spots. 
2.  We save money. 
3.  We can develop the young players and prospects we do have with the minutes available.  Example - look at the Kings and the Sixers.  They have logjams at their big positions and now either have to sell low, or watch some of their young, highly drafted prospects suffer in terms of development. 
4.  We are a playoff team right now.  It's better to have youngster develop off the team in foreign leagues than in the NBADL which I feel is lacking in competition.  I mean how many guys have we sent to the NBADL outside of Rozier have actually developed?

I agree with the gist of this post only have some doubts about /2/

I mean, they still count towards our salary cap if I'm not mistaken.

And yes, sure we do not pay their salaries now, but a/ they are peanuts and b/ some others will have to take their place in the roster - and they will have to get paid ofc

I'm splitting hair here, I know, but as I said I otherwise agree with the comment.

stash do not count towards our cap.

[Androslav]

Croatian speaker here, to contribute some.
His name is Ivica Zubac, not Ivaca.
It is pronaunced;
EVE-IZZA no pause between the two.
Izza is like a pizza, but without the letter P. Surname is ZOO-BUTTS.
EVE-IZZA ZOO-BUTTS
Sounds funny now that i see it.
Ivica is translates to Johnny.

[hwangjini_1]

Croatian speaker here, to contribute some.
His name is Ivica Zubac, not Ivaca.
It is pronaunced;
EVE-IZZA no pause between the two.
Izza is like a pizza, but without the letter P. Surname is ZOO-BUTTS.
EVE-IZZA ZOO-BUTTS
Sounds funny now that i see it.
Ivica is translates to Johnny.

Zoo-butts is clearly THE best name a basketball player has ever had. The celtics need to trade for him right NOW!

Oh,  and a tp for the language lesson.