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Re: Why the 2017 BKN pick is nearly untouchable
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2016, 04:58:06 PM »

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Re: Why the 2017 BKN pick is nearly untouchable
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2016, 05:16:48 PM »

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For those who haven't seen the kids in the 2017 class, there are numerous can't-miss, cornerstone type players and possibly a couple of generational guys.

Josh Jackson
6'8" with guard skills, highlight reel on both sides of the court
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZ0VI-Fp6M

Harry Giles
6'10" PF, KG in the making?  Already had a couple knee surgeries*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fASlnqiguKo

Jayson Tatum
6'8" F that can flat out score.  Adrian Dantley adapted for modern play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etPHekOeqnc

Markelle Fultz
6'5" PG with polish and hops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng5pNV8t0Mc

And this is just the beginning.  8-10 legit prospects at the top and the BKN pick is nearly a lock to be top 4.

Jackson and Giles are special ...Imo these are the two guys who come around every ten years... Giles has a bit of an injury concern..

Tatum is a fine player but nothing close to a sure thing
Fultz IMO is just a bit over rated at this point but I cant wait to watch him this year ..

My guess is we will see plenty of more name but Jackson and Giles will stay at the top barring injury..
So here's my point.  If there are 2 guys in this draft that come around "once every ten years", and we have a pick that is a virtual lock to be top 3... 

Re: Why the 2017 BKN pick is nearly untouchable
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2016, 05:21:12 PM »

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For those who haven't seen the kids in the 2017 class, there are numerous can't-miss, cornerstone type players and possibly a couple of generational guys.

Josh Jackson
6'8" with guard skills, highlight reel on both sides of the court
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZ0VI-Fp6M

Harry Giles
6'10" PF, KG in the making?  Already had a couple knee surgeries*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fASlnqiguKo

Jayson Tatum
6'8" F that can flat out score.  Adrian Dantley adapted for modern play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etPHekOeqnc

Markelle Fultz
6'5" PG with polish and hops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng5pNV8t0Mc

And this is just the beginning.  8-10 legit prospects at the top and the BKN pick is nearly a lock to be top 4.

Jackson and Giles are special ...Imo these are the two guys who come around every ten years... Giles has a bit of an injury concern..

Tatum is a fine player but nothing close to a sure thing
Fultz IMO is just a bit over rated at this point but I cant wait to watch him this year ..

My guess is we will see plenty of more name but Jackson and Giles will stay at the top barring injury..
So here's my point.  If there are 2 guys in this draft that come around "once every ten years", and we have a pick that is a virtual lock to be top 3...

No pick is a virtual lock to be a top 3.  Even the most lottery combinations gives you only a 64% chance.  64% is probable, but definitely not a lock.

Re: Why the 2017 BKN pick is nearly untouchable
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2016, 05:30:44 PM »

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Last year at this time Skal Labissierre was a can't miss prospect.
According to who?  Always viewed him as a project.
Hard to find mock drafts from this time last year, but I found this one from November 16, 2015 (which is after the college season started).

http://thehoopdoctors.com/2015/11/2016-nba-mock-draft-version-1-0/#2

Skal Labissierre was projected to go #1.

6’11 220lbs
 Freshman
 Power Forward/Center

It has been a toss-up between Simmons and Labissierre for the top pick early on but we give the initial edge to “Big Skal” as he reminds some of former Kentucky standout Anthony Davis. His long and lanky frame make him an excellent rim protector but it is his offensive game that everyone talking. He can play both inside and out, using his length to shoot over smaller players, with range extending out to the 3 point arc. He may not ever be as dominant as Davis defensively but is already ahead of him on offense as a collegiate freshman.

EDIT: And before you go crazy saying who is this site, they had Simmons 2, Ingram 3, Brown 4, and Bender 5 (you know the actual top 4 in order - they just had Skal #1).  They had Murray 6, which isn't too far off either. 
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Re: Why the 2017 BKN pick is nearly untouchable
« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2016, 05:30:51 PM »

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every year the BKL pick is said to be untouchable. 
so far, we're 0-2 the way this Brown kid is projecting.  with Ainge jr. running our scouting dept, we are on the path for serious regret in a few years if we don't make fair offer sooner or later for a stud.

time for Danny to stop throwing his pitches into the dirt...

TP.

One bust, one bricklayer - thus far.

Time to get something of real value from those picks, instead of Danny and his kid trying to prove they know something everyone else doesn't.

Coach have you sent your application into Wyc yet?  I am sure he would love your credentials.

Re: Why the 2017 BKN pick is nearly untouchable
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2016, 05:32:11 PM »

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First, Brooklyn is going to be a dumpster conflagration this year. That pick is going to be a good one, if not #1 overall.

Second, this rush to judgment on Jaylen Brown has got to stop. 19. Summer league. Holy molie.

Third, if you've got three straight high lottery picks, at the very WORST that's three talented role players making peanuts locked for 4-5 years compared to the equivalent free agent with the same talent level. That's why the Celtics are in such an enviable position: they could conceivably add another stud in free agency a year from now on, and surround one of the best cores in the league with a super collection of talented youth.

In other words: yes, don't trade either the 2017 or 2018 Brooklyn picks unless it brings you a game changing young player on reasonable money locked up for at least a couple years, like Boogie, Butler, etc.
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Re: Why the 2017 BKN pick is nearly untouchable
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2016, 05:32:22 PM »

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every year the BKL pick is said to be untouchable. 
so far, we're 0-2 the way this Brown kid is projecting.  with Ainge jr. running our scouting dept, we are on the path for serious regret in a few years if we don't make fair offer sooner or later for a stud.

time for Danny to stop throwing his pitches into the dirt...

TP.

One bust, one bricklayer - thus far.

Time to get something of real value from those picks, instead of Danny and his kid trying to prove they know something everyone else doesn't.

Coach have you sent your application into Wyc yet?  I am sure he would love your credentials.

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Re: Why the 2017 BKN pick is nearly untouchable
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2016, 05:33:00 PM »

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For those who haven't seen the kids in the 2017 class, there are numerous can't-miss, cornerstone type players and possibly a couple of generational guys.

Josh Jackson
6'8" with guard skills, highlight reel on both sides of the court
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZ0VI-Fp6M

Harry Giles
6'10" PF, KG in the making?  Already had a couple knee surgeries*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fASlnqiguKo

Jayson Tatum
6'8" F that can flat out score.  Adrian Dantley adapted for modern play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etPHekOeqnc

Markelle Fultz
6'5" PG with polish and hops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng5pNV8t0Mc

And this is just the beginning.  8-10 legit prospects at the top and the BKN pick is nearly a lock to be top 4.

Jackson and Giles are special ...Imo these are the two guys who come around every ten years... Giles has a bit of an injury concern..

Tatum is a fine player but nothing close to a sure thing
Fultz IMO is just a bit over rated at this point but I cant wait to watch him this year ..

My guess is we will see plenty of more name but Jackson and Giles will stay at the top barring injury..
So here's my point.  If there are 2 guys in this draft that come around "once every ten years", and we have a pick that is a virtual lock to be top 3...

Would you say that Karl A Towns is this type of guy?

Would you say that Ben Simmons is this type of guy?

Who else fits this narrative and how badly does it invalidate the frequency by which these players 'come around?'

Re: Why the 2017 BKN pick is nearly untouchable
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2016, 05:34:35 PM »

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every year the BKL pick is said to be untouchable. 
so far, we're 0-2 the way this Brown kid is projecting.  with Ainge jr. running our scouting dept, we are on the path for serious regret in a few years if we don't make fair offer sooner or later for a stud.

time for Danny to stop throwing his pitches into the dirt...

TP.

One bust, one bricklayer - thus far.

Time to get something of real value from those picks, instead of Danny and his kid trying to prove they know something everyone else doesn't.

Coach have you sent your application into Wyc yet?  I am sure he would love your credentials.

I don't deal with people who'll say anything to sell tickets.

Please answer my question.  As a Celtics fan I want someone with your skill set who knows "real value" and isn't trying to "prove they know something everyone else doesn't" running my favorite team.

Re: Why the 2017 BKN pick is nearly untouchable
« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2016, 05:37:14 PM »

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every year the BKL pick is said to be untouchable. 
so far, we're 0-2 the way this Brown kid is projecting.  with Ainge jr. running our scouting dept, we are on the path for serious regret in a few years if we don't make fair offer sooner or later for a stud.

time for Danny to stop throwing his pitches into the dirt...

TP.

One bust, one bricklayer - thus far.

Time to get something of real value from those picks, instead of Danny and his kid trying to prove they know something everyone else doesn't.

Coach have you sent your application into Wyc yet?  I am sure he would love your credentials.

I don't deal with people who'll say anything to sell tickets.

Cmon dude. With your scouting knowledge and amazing perception of the NBA (not to mention your hindsight bias), you could really turn this ship around. Take a crack at it dude!
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: Why the 2017 BKN pick is nearly untouchable
« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2016, 05:39:56 PM »

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First, Brooklyn is going to be a dumpster conflagration this year. That pick is going to be a good one, if not #1 overall.

Second, this rush to judgment on Jaylen Brown has got to stop. 19. Summer league. Holy molie.

Third, if you've got three straight high lottery picks, at the very WORST that's three talented role players making peanuts locked for 4-5 years compared to the equivalent free agent with the same talent level. That's why the Celtics are in such an enviable position: they could conceivably add another stud in free agency a year from now on, and surround one of the best cores in the league with a super collection of talented youth.

In other words: yes, don't trade either the 2017 or 2018 Brooklyn picks unless it brings you a game changing young player on reasonable money locked up for at least a couple years, like Boogie, Butler, etc.
Excellent post :)

Re: Why the 2017 BKN pick is nearly untouchable
« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2016, 05:52:08 PM »

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For those who haven't seen the kids in the 2017 class, there are numerous can't-miss, cornerstone type players and possibly a couple of generational guys.

Josh Jackson
6'8" with guard skills, highlight reel on both sides of the court
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZ0VI-Fp6M

Harry Giles
6'10" PF, KG in the making?  Already had a couple knee surgeries*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fASlnqiguKo

Jayson Tatum
6'8" F that can flat out score.  Adrian Dantley adapted for modern play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etPHekOeqnc

Markelle Fultz
6'5" PG with polish and hops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng5pNV8t0Mc

And this is just the beginning.  8-10 legit prospects at the top and the BKN pick is nearly a lock to be top 4.

Jackson and Giles are special ...Imo these are the two guys who come around every ten years... Giles has a bit of an injury concern..

Tatum is a fine player but nothing close to a sure thing
Fultz IMO is just a bit over rated at this point but I cant wait to watch him this year ..

My guess is we will see plenty of more name but Jackson and Giles will stay at the top barring injury..
So here's my point.  If there are 2 guys in this draft that come around "once every ten years", and we have a pick that is a virtual lock to be top 3...

Would you say that Karl A Towns is this type of guy?

Would you say that Ben Simmons is this type of guy?

Who else fits this narrative and how badly does it invalidate the frequency by which these players 'come around?'
Nah.  I actually had Okafor ahead of Towns and Ingram ahead of Simmons.  And I still think Brown or Dunn may be the best player out of 2016.

Anthony Davis hit that mark.  Chris Paul, Lebron.  I was pretty high on D'Angelo Russell, to be fair.  Still am.

Re: Why the 2017 BKN pick is nearly untouchable
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2016, 06:01:10 PM »

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I am convinced now that the Nets 2017 is too valuable to let go for Blake Griffin.  Not sure about Cousins.  But as much as I'd love DA to pull off a win-now move, I'll be happy with keeping 2017. 
The 2017 draft lottery is only 10 months from now

Re: Why the 2017 BKN pick is nearly untouchable
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2016, 06:15:32 AM »

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Last year at this time Skal Labissierre was a can't miss prospect.
According to who?  Always viewed him as a project.

According to every mock in the country.

For 4-5 straight months it was:

1. Simmons
2. Lab

It was only when the college season started that Lab fell off a cliff.

Re: Why the 2017 BKN pick is nearly untouchable
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2016, 06:55:34 AM »

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In spite of the fact that next years draft, like many others in the past, is thought to be the greatest ever, the chances of us getting a player with Griffin's ability is probably 10% or less.