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Re: Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2016, 07:30:21 AM »

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Bender is soooo bad. Looked so lost out there yesterday. Glad we dodged that bullet (even though I hated him as a #3 pick from the start ::))
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Re: Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2016, 07:36:13 AM »

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Bender, who looks physically uncoordinated and mentally lost out there. Not that this surprises me

How dare you say that of the Second Coming....  I agree, but one could see that prior to the draft is you did not have a draft disease called eurohysteria.

Re: Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2016, 07:39:38 AM »

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Bender is soooo bad. Looked so lost out there yesterday. Glad we dodged that bullet (even though I hated him as a #3 pick from the start ::))

I for one am absolutely shocked by this news. Shocked, I say.

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Re: Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2016, 09:03:00 AM »

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Here are Maker's highlights from last night's game.  At 1:56 - dat pass, tho ;) ;D, lol. I love this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Vm5pGZCdo

Wow.

And we drafted Brown and Yabusele?  Smh #palmface

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Re: Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2016, 09:32:16 AM »

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the only certain thing about bender was that he will need a couple of years. I don`t think he will meet the expectations of the 4th pick but judging him just after 2 summer league games is a bit premature

Re: Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2017, 07:31:18 AM »

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Anyone starting to make their minds up?
I am pleasantly surprised by Bender this year.
Still a couple of days until his 20th B-day.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/makerth01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bendedr01.html
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Re: Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2017, 07:35:29 AM »

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Here are Maker's highlights from last night's game.  At 1:56 - dat pass, tho ;) ;D, lol. I love this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Vm5pGZCdo

Wow.

And we drafted Brown and Yabusele?  Smh #palmface
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Re: Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2017, 08:00:38 AM »

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Anyone starting to make their minds up?
I am pleasantly surprised by Bender this year.
Still a couple of days until his 20th B-day.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/makerth01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bendedr01.html

To me it's never been close. Bender's skills and mobility, at his size, has always been special. He's still very young and will continue to get better as his body gets stronger. Whoever dismissed him based on last season, a season where he was not only adjusting to a new team, but also a foreign country, were seriously mistaken. He's also been playing even better once Watson was fired.


A totally different play this season. Again, he's still only 19.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4IlVEk0y1c

As for Maker, there are rumors that he's really 23 or so, not his listed 21.
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Re: Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2017, 08:08:01 AM »

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There is a lot of BS in this thread.   

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bendedr01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/makerth01.html

40% FG 5.9 points in 20 minutes  and you're impressed about Bender.   Such low standards!

 Neither of these guys were ready to prime time and both of them were grossly over-hyped.

Re: Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2017, 08:10:07 AM »

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There is a lot of BS in this thread.   

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bendedr01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/makerth01.html

40% FG 5.9 points in 20 minutes  and you're impressed about Bender.   Such low standards!

 Neither of these guys were ready to prime time and both of them were grossly over-hyped.

Watch the video I posted above from a couple of days ago. And that's offensively. He's always been a more advanced player defensively.

Going off raw numbers don't tell the tale. You need to actually watch Bender. He's much more confident and assertive this season. Plus, he's a bit thicker. But if you want to use advanced stats, his true shooting percentage is 54% and his usage, which effects his raw numbers, is just 12.4.
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Re: Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2017, 08:54:22 AM »

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There is a lot of BS in this thread.   

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bendedr01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/makerth01.html

40% FG 5.9 points in 20 minutes  and you're impressed about Bender.   Such low standards!

 Neither of these guys were ready to prime time and both of them were grossly over-hyped.
You mean Bender Supporters?
Not as many as there will be in a year or two IMO.

I am not impressed, I am pleasantly surprised how he handled the implosive surroundings in Phoenix and got better;
- coach fired
- he got 25 pounds of muscle
- new league, and culture, he was in foreign Israel before that
- inexperienced teammates, except for JD and TC
- losing at a .298 clip (29-68)
- He is not even 20 yet, that is sooo young, and the same argument many CBloggers use to describe Tatum's stratospheric ceiling.
- GMs get extended for executing owners flawed concepts and not doing much else.

Some guys would just fold to the side and put their tail between their legs. I'd rather have him that Okafor (NCAA champ and higher pick) and if I said that 2 years ago, I'd get threatening letters - Hyperbole!
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"The joy of the balling under the rims."

Re: Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2017, 12:15:26 PM »

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Anyone starting to make their minds up?
I am pleasantly surprised by Bender this year.
Still a couple of days until his 20th B-day.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/makerth01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bendedr01.html

To me it's never been close. Bender's skills and mobility, at his size, has always been special. He's still very young and will continue to get better as his body gets stronger. Whoever dismissed him based on last season, a season where he was not only adjusting to a new team, but also a foreign country, were seriously mistaken. He's also been playing even better once Watson was fired.


A totally different play this season. Again, he's still only 19.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4IlVEk0y1c

As for Maker, there are rumors that he's really 23 or so, not his listed 21.
Agree with all of this, not to mention he had an injury last year.  How people dismissed an 18 year old with his tools is beyond me.  I actually liked him more than Brown at draft time, and while I would never choose him over Brown now, I'd certainly take him over Maker without a second thought.

Re: Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2017, 08:40:23 PM »

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THIN MAKER! lol
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Re: Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2017, 07:46:03 AM »

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You need to actually watch Bender

Nope, you need to realize that his stats are watch he produces and it is not that impressive.   No matter how you hype it.  It would be real impressive if he produced meaningful stats.  Your still harping on his potential.

The difference between you and I when we watch Bender is that I do not let my confirmation bias get in the way of my analysis.   I think he needs to add strength and improve his shooting from the field and product at a more prolific level before I call him special.   To me that term is earned not anointed.

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Bender's skills and mobility, at his size, has always been special.

Perhaps there is an opening in a ballet?   

The NBA does not rate guys how they move, they rate them by how they contribute to winning and stat production.   

It is patently absurd to call a guy averaging 6 ppg in 20 minutes special
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Re: Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2017, 08:24:49 AM »

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Milwaukee went pretty high (10th) to get Maker.  Phoenix went really high to get Bender.  Both are projects.  That they are even able to get on the court for regular minutes at this point in their careers is a good sign.  I don't think I have actually seen either one play, definitely not this season.  It is an interesting pair to watch.