Sullinger on the Trade Block

[TheSlipperyWhistle]

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Report: Celtics put Jared Sullinger in the trading block. Expect a trade to happen.

Unless you have cap issues , a team could just make him an offer and have him for free

That's not how restricted free agency works.

Surely any interested team would just call Danny's bluff and offer Sully ~$18.  For all intents and purposes, that is how this works.

Who wants to give Sully that?  The only restricted free agent who's changed teams so far has been Barnes, I believe, and that's only after the Warriors officially gave up on keeping him.

Mike

1. Why wouldn't a team offer that?  Austin Rivers got $12.
2. What do other RFA's have to do with Sully?

Austin Rivers got twelve dollars to sign? His daddy needs to raise his allowance.

[Fafnir]

Is a market contract 16-18 million dollars for Sullinger? I'm skeptical as RFA drives down value (a lot) and he is and undersized C as well.

We will see.

How does RFA drive value down? If anything it drives it up because you want to overpay so that the original team doesn't match.

Overall the salaries that RFA receive is far lower than FAs. The offers that are made are overpays. Usually they settle for far less than FA would give them because other teams are scared away from offer sheets and their original team puts the screws to the player during negotiations.

Hence the some of players signing the QO for a one year deal.

[MBunge]

The most likely possibility would seem to be someone with an RFA they don't really want to resign trading him for Sully.

Mike

[BudweiserCeltic]

Well, in the end I don't understand this thread. And if accurate the he's in the "trading block", whatever that means for a RFA, don't think it's news. In all, nothing has changed as far as I'm concerned.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

They could call Danny's bluff but how has that worked in the past? Dude just drafted 6/8 picks available! 4 the season before! 10 players in 2 seasons with an already full team!! It's not like we have to pay another max at the moment.

[nickagneta]

There is also the possibility that Sully is involved in a larger trade to someone near or over the salary cap. Perhaps he needs to be a piece that is going to Chicago in a Butler deal? Don't know how close Chicago is to the cap and that is just an example, but something like that.

Because of the base-year rule, it would unlikely be a trade like that, since his salary would count fully for the team receiving him, but only half for us as outgoing salary, making matching salaries difficult.

But if we aren't over the cap, we don't necessarily have to match the salary, at least that's what I thought

[saltlover]

There is also the possibility that Sully is involved in a larger trade to someone near or over the salary cap. Perhaps he needs to be a piece that is going to Chicago in a Butler deal? Don't know how close Chicago is to the cap and that is just an example, but something like that.

Because of the base-year rule, it would unlikely be a trade like that, since his salary would count fully for the team receiving him, but only half for us as outgoing salary, making matching salaries difficult.

But if we aren't over the cap, we don't necessarily have to match the salary, at least that's what I thought

We have $10 million in cap space.  Getting someone like Butler would put us over the cap, which means we'd need to match instead.  For anyone $10 million and under, it's not a problem.

[nickagneta]

There is also the possibility that Sully is involved in a larger trade to someone near or over the salary cap. Perhaps he needs to be a piece that is going to Chicago in a Butler deal? Don't know how close Chicago is to the cap and that is just an example, but something like that.

Because of the base-year rule, it would unlikely be a trade like that, since his salary would count fully for the team receiving him, but only half for us as outgoing salary, making matching salaries difficult.

But if we aren't over the cap, we don't necessarily have to match the salary, at least that's what I thought

We have $10 million in cap space.  Getting someone like Butler would put us over the cap, which means we'd need to match instead.  For anyone $10 million and under, it's not a problem.

TP for clearing that up salty. I thought we were farther under the cap than that. TP

[Dino Pitino]

Could we theoretically package Sully plus a newly guaranteed Amir and both Brooklyn 1sts for Boogie?

Theoretically?  I guess.  Much is possible in theory.  But Sullinger could be paid no more than just under $10 million in year one, which is probably less than he's interested in accepting.  So probably not.

Ah. Amir is too much. How about Jonas?

[sdceltsfan]

Ok what about this idea with Chicago:

S/T Sully, Rozier, Amir, Brooklyn 2018, Boston 2018, Boston 2019

for

Butler, Gibson, Dunlevy

OR the same deal where the celtics sub in Jerbeko for Amir and the Bulls remove Dunlevy

Sully (S/T), Rozier, Jerbeko, BKN 2018, BOS 2018, BOS 2019

for

Butler and Taj Gibson

It depends on what the Bulls would be wanting to pay Sully and/or what Sully's agent thinks he's worth. The deal with Amir gets Sully a contract at about $14-Mil annually, and the Jerbeko deal gets him a little over $17 Mil.

The Bulls give up Butler, and Gibson who they likely don't want to pay anyway, but they get a boatload of rebuilding blocks.

[sdceltsfan]

Ok what about this idea with Chicago:

S/T Sully, Rozier, Amir, Brooklyn 2018, Boston 2018, Boston 2019

for

Butler, Gibson, Dunlevy

OR the same deal where the celtics sub in Jerbeko for Amir and the Bulls remove Dunlevy

Sully (S/T), Rozier, Jerbeko, BKN 2018, BOS 2018, BOS 2019

for

Butler and Taj Gibson

It depends on what the Bulls would be wanting to pay Sully and/or what Sully's agent thinks he's worth. The deal with Amir gets Sully a contract at about $14-Mil annually, and the Jerbeko deal gets him a little over $17 Mil.

The Bulls give up Butler, and Gibson who they likely don't want to pay anyway, but they get a boatload of rebuilding blocks.

I think I'd be willing to sub in Bradley for Rozier, but then take out the BOSTON 2018/19 picks.

OR

sub the BKN 2017 for 2018

[PhoSita]

What can you really get for a RFA in a S+T?  Seems like teams are rarely interested in giving up anything of significance in that situation.

[MBunge]

What can you really get for a RFA in a S+T?  Seems like teams are rarely interested in giving up anything of significance in that situation.

Another RFA.

Mike

[Lucky17]

What can you really get for a RFA in a S+T?  Seems like teams are rarely interested in giving up anything of significance in that situation.

I think the team trading away the RFA can get a player on a small contract and a TPE.

I would love to try to get Taj Gibson from CHI (assuming the Bulls are interested).

[SHAQATTACK]

I think he winds up washing dishes at Pizza Hutt