Sullinger on the Trade Block

[hwangjini_1]

Maybe he just lost weight and is in shape now.

i think you may have forgotten to add the little winking-emoticon to your post. 

[Lucky17]

There is also the possibility that Sully is involved in a larger trade to someone near or over the salary cap. Perhaps he needs to be a piece that is going to Chicago in a Butler deal? Don't know how close Chicago is to the cap and that is just an example, but something like that.

Because of the base-year rule, it would unlikely be a trade like that, since his salary would count fully for the team receiving him, but only half for us as outgoing salary, making matching salaries difficult.

Ah, right. So a team that has at least some cap space and has a small(ish) contract to unload might be a trade partner.

[saltlover]

per NBAStats

NBA Stats
‏@StatisticsNBA
Report: Celtics put Jared Sullinger in the trading block. Expect a trade to happen.

Unless you have cap issues , a team could just make him an offer and have him for free

That's not how restricted free agency works.

Surely any interested team would just call Danny's bluff and offer Sully ~$18.  For all intents and purposes, that is how this works.

Or you could pay him $3-4 million less a year and send a second round pick.  I know which I'd choose.

What is Sully's incentive to do that?  His agent says, "no, just make an offer sheet."  Then he tells Danny to pi$$ off re: sign and trade.

Danny has no leverage here.  What's his recourse?  Match a huge offer sheet?

The incentive Sully has is because otherwise the team will just pass.  Most teams aren't in the habit of intentionally overpaying.  Some do because they screw up their evaluations, but they don't do it on purpose.

But Sully's performance on the court, cr@p playoff series notwithstanding, easily merits a $16-18 contract in this market.  It's not an overpay.

Teams have three choices, really:

1) Overpay for him so Ainge won't match
2) Sign him to a market deal, in which case Ainge will match because he's got the money to do so and doesn't like letting things go for free
3) Send something to Boston and sign him in a market deal as a sign-and-trade

We don't have to debate exactly what Sullinger is worth.  That's secondary.  What matters is that Ainge has the ability to match any reasonable contract.  So if you want Sullinger and want him on a reasonable contract, you make a trade.  Otherwise you can sign him to an unreasonable contract or not get him.

[JumpingJudkins]

I don't think NBA Stats is a particularly useful source. Seems they're just surmising a possible trade from Sully's tweet.

Much more likely he just gets an offer sheet and goes his merry way.

[kozlodoev]

2) Sign him to a market deal, in which case Ainge will match because he's got the money to do so and doesn't like letting things go for free

I think there's zero chance we'll match any sort of multi-year deal for Sullinger. Cap space in 2017 is real.

[saltlover]

2) Sign him to a market deal, in which case Ainge will match because he's got the money to do so and doesn't like letting things go for free

I think there's zero chance we'll match any sort of multi-year deal for Sullinger. Cap space in 2017 is real.

Well, he's going to be signed-and-traded, so I agree.  But otherwise, if he's truly signed to a market deal, then he would be tradable next summer, and the cap space would be recouped.

[PickNRoll]

per NBAStats

NBA Stats
‏@StatisticsNBA
Report: Celtics put Jared Sullinger in the trading block. Expect a trade to happen.

Unless you have cap issues , a team could just make him an offer and have him for free

That's not how restricted free agency works.

Surely any interested team would just call Danny's bluff and offer Sully ~$18.  For all intents and purposes, that is how this works.

Or you could pay him $3-4 million less a year and send a second round pick.  I know which I'd choose.

What is Sully's incentive to do that?  His agent says, "no, just make an offer sheet."  Then he tells Danny to pi$$ off re: sign and trade.

Danny has no leverage here.  What's his recourse?  Match a huge offer sheet?

The incentive Sully has is because otherwise the team will just pass.  Most teams aren't in the habit of intentionally overpaying.  Some do because they screw up their evaluations, but they don't do it on purpose.

But Sully's performance on the court, cr@p playoff series notwithstanding, easily merits a $16-18 contract in this market.  It's not an overpay.

Teams have three choices, really:

1) Overpay for him so Ainge won't match
2) Sign him to a market deal, in which case Ainge will match because he's got the money to do so and doesn't like letting things go for free
3) Send something to Boston and sign him in a market deal as a sign-and-trade

We don't have to debate exactly what Sullinger is worth.  That's secondary.  What matters is that Ainge has the ability to match any reasonable contract.  So if you want Sullinger and want him on a reasonable contract, you make a trade.  Otherwise you can sign him to an unreasonable contract or not get him.

Wrong.  A market deal is in the 16-18M range, which Ainge will not match.

That's what I've been saying the whole time.

[saltlover]

per NBAStats

NBA Stats
‏@StatisticsNBA
Report: Celtics put Jared Sullinger in the trading block. Expect a trade to happen.

Unless you have cap issues , a team could just make him an offer and have him for free

That's not how restricted free agency works.

Surely any interested team would just call Danny's bluff and offer Sully ~$18.  For all intents and purposes, that is how this works.

Or you could pay him $3-4 million less a year and send a second round pick.  I know which I'd choose.

What is Sully's incentive to do that?  His agent says, "no, just make an offer sheet."  Then he tells Danny to pi$$ off re: sign and trade.

Danny has no leverage here.  What's his recourse?  Match a huge offer sheet?

The incentive Sully has is because otherwise the team will just pass.  Most teams aren't in the habit of intentionally overpaying.  Some do because they screw up their evaluations, but they don't do it on purpose.

But Sully's performance on the court, cr@p playoff series notwithstanding, easily merits a $16-18 contract in this market.  It's not an overpay.

Teams have three choices, really:

1) Overpay for him so Ainge won't match
2) Sign him to a market deal, in which case Ainge will match because he's got the money to do so and doesn't like letting things go for free
3) Send something to Boston and sign him in a market deal as a sign-and-trade

We don't have to debate exactly what Sullinger is worth.  That's secondary.  What matters is that Ainge has the ability to match any reasonable contract.  So if you want Sullinger and want him on a reasonable contract, you make a trade.  Otherwise you can sign him to an unreasonable contract or not get him.

Wrong.  A market deal is in the 16-18M range, which Ainge will not match.

That's what I've been saying the whole time.

I think we might have the answer to this by the time the day is out.  I'll give you a TP if you're right, if you give me one if I'm right.

[Fafnir]

Is a market contract 16-18 million dollars for Sullinger? I'm skeptical as RFA drives down value (a lot) and he is and undersized C as well.

We will see.

[Fafnir]

I think we might have the answer to this by the time the day is out.  I'll give you a TP if you're right, if you give me one if I'm right.

I will give you both 50 tps for not flaming about a simple disagreement!

[kozlodoev]

Is a market contract 16-18 million dollars for Sullinger? I'm skeptical as RFA drives down value (a lot) and he is and undersized C as well.

We will see.

How does RFA drive value down? If anything it drives it up because you want to overpay so that the original team doesn't match.

[saltlover]

I think we might have the answer to this by the time the day is out.  I'll give you a TP if you're right, if you give me one if I'm right.

I will give you both 50 tps for not flaming about a simple disagreement!

Thanks!  If I had the power to give you 50 back, I would, but here's one!

[CoachBo]

per NBAStats

NBA Stats
‏@StatisticsNBA
Report: Celtics put Jared Sullinger in the trading block. Expect a trade to happen.

Unless you have cap issues , a team could just make him an offer and have him for free

That's not how restricted free agency works.

Surely any interested team would just call Danny's bluff and offer Sully ~$18.  For all intents and purposes, that is how this works.

Or you could pay him $3-4 million less a year and send a second round pick.  I know which I'd choose.

What is Sully's incentive to do that?  His agent says, "no, just make an offer sheet."  Then he tells Danny to pi$$ off re: sign and trade.

Danny has no leverage here.  What's his recourse?  Match a huge offer sheet?

The incentive Sully has is because otherwise the team will just pass.  Most teams aren't in the habit of intentionally overpaying.  Some do because they screw up their evaluations, but they don't do it on purpose.

But Sully's performance on the court, cr@p playoff series notwithstanding, easily merits a $16-18 contract in this market.  It's not an overpay.

Teams have three choices, really:

1) Overpay for him so Ainge won't match
2) Sign him to a market deal, in which case Ainge will match because he's got the money to do so and doesn't like letting things go for free
3) Send something to Boston and sign him in a market deal as a sign-and-trade

We don't have to debate exactly what Sullinger is worth.  That's secondary.  What matters is that Ainge has the ability to match any reasonable contract.  So if you want Sullinger and want him on a reasonable contract, you make a trade.  Otherwise you can sign him to an unreasonable contract or not get him.

Agreed. I would also concur with the higher market price, but teams aren't asleep on Sullinger's warts. I don't see how he commands $16 to $18 million with his lack of weight discipline, back injuries and playoff disappearance.

[Dino Pitino]

Could we theoretically package Sully plus a newly guaranteed Amir and both Brooklyn 1sts for Boogie?

[saltlover]

Could we theoretically package Sully plus a newly guaranteed Amir and both Brooklyn 1sts for Boogie?

Theoretically?  I guess.  Much is possible in theory.  But Sullinger could be paid no more than just under $10 million in year one, which is probably less than he's interested in accepting.  So probably not.