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Re: Help OKC get Horford by absorbing Kanter (bargain buy)
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2016, 03:09:20 AM »

Offline crimson_stallion

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First of all tell Turner, Zeller, Sully to turn off the TV.    TV money is crazy.....

I have an idea on getting another Bargain contract and look for fireworks next year?  Here it is:
http://hoopshype.com/tag/trade/



If we strike out on KD, Hereford and Howard.   Would you absorb Kanters 17/18 and Player option for 18 the third year?    Maybe Young and a couple rookies for a Kanter? 

Noah 18 Million
Mozgov 16 Million
Howard 24 Million
Beal
Nick Batum looking for max
Ken Bazmore looking for 18

First of all, Kanter's contract is not a bargain.  You're talking about paying $17M for a guy who has been THE worst defensive big in the NBA for about 4 or 5 years running.

True, he's a talented offensive player and an outstanding rebounder - that's why he's on $17M a year rather than $8m a year.  But his defensive limitations are the reason why he's on $17m and not >$20m.

At the time of the deal, his contract was an overpay.  Now that the cap is rising, it's about fair.  It's not a rip off, but it's certainly not a bargain...and there is no way I take Kanter over Horford, even if Horford is making $5km more. 

Enes Kanters contract could never have been more than $20M.

And if you haven't noticed, "fair market" is becoming a bargain. It will be even more so next season. As percentages of the cap go, $17M is about what $12M was this year. Next year it will be around $10M or $11M.

Fair market is not a bargain.  Fair market is fair market.

Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder and Isaiah Thomas at ~$7m is a bargain.

Demarcus Cousins at ~$16m is a bargain.

Noah and Mozgov at ~$17m is a complete rip off.

Kanter at $17m is fair value - it is not a bargain.

Enes Kanter at $17m is not a bargin.

Re: Help OKC get Horford by absorbing Kanter (bargain buy)
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2016, 09:25:35 AM »

Offline loco_91

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Kanter is not an upgrade over Sully. He is awful on defense, and he makes $17m/yr for three more years. It would be MUCH better to sign nobody and retain cap space.

Re: Help OKC get Horford by absorbing Kanter (bargain buy)
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2016, 09:43:24 AM »

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Fair market is not a bargain.  Fair market is fair market.

Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder and Isaiah Thomas at ~$7m is a bargain.

Demarcus Cousins at ~$16m is a bargain.

Noah and Mozgov at ~$17m is a complete rip off.

Kanter at $17m is fair value - it is not a bargain.

Enes Kanter at $17m is not a bargin.

Have you ever done an auction draft in a fantasy league?  When the market changes, as is currently happening, fair market values change. Bradley, IT and Crowders contracts are all probably top 10 values in this league, so we have a relatively unfair expectation of what bargain contracts are and that restricts everything else into inaccurate categories. You might as well say if we don't have any top 10 players that all of our players are average or below average.

The way to use those bargain contracts is to leverage the value saved there into being able to overpay--relative to the market--for other assets. The reason crazy money is going to be spent this summer is because max contracts given under a $94M salary cap aren't going to look crazy when the cap is $110M next year, and max contracts signed when the cap was $70M are going to the the new bargains. Getting a player who was signed to the max at that level will look roughly similar to signing Amir Johnson last offseason--which looks like a [dang] masterpiece at this point if our GM wasn't steps on steps ahead of most others and has raised the bar for himself.

None of this to say I'd particularly want Kanter, but the reason won't necessarily be his contract. Would that be a little disappointing that Ainge couldn't continue to find $20 bills in his jacket pocket like he has the last few seasons? Sure. But I'd rather have a little big picture view of this.
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Re: Help OKC get Horford by absorbing Kanter (bargain buy)
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2016, 09:45:48 AM »

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Kanter isn't worth it for a team looking to add star level talent to round out the roster. I do think he's underated by NBA fans overall though.

Re: Help OKC get Horford by absorbing Kanter (bargain buy)
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2016, 09:58:26 AM »

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The argument for Kanter is that he would replace both Zeller and Sully.  Given this crazy market, those guys are going to be offered combined salaries that are even more than Kanter's.  I don't really want Enes but if the other options are 20+ million for Zeller and Sully, 17+ mil for Biyombo or nothing...?

Mike

Re: Help OKC get Horford by absorbing Kanter (bargain buy)
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2016, 01:28:23 PM »

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id be okay with trading for Kanter and Sabonis. Send them a second and KO. Wouldn't deal anything else. Kanter is an in shape Sully. Sabonis would make this 2016 class an even better haul.

IT/Rozier/Jackson
AB/Smart/Hunter
Crowder/Brown/Young
Mickey/Sabonis/Bentil/JJ
Kanter/AJ

Rights/stash guys
Yab, Zizic, Nader, (Thornton, Colt)

I like it more than Hordford or Howard.