We don't have double max cap space EDIT: solved, ty The One and saltlover

[TheSundanceKid]

I've done some calculations on our cap space this summer and it's not quite as we imagined. Happy to be proved wrong obviously but here's how I've laid it out.

The salary cap is to be $94,000,000. A max contract for a 7-9 year guy is going to be $28,200,000 so to sign both Horford and Durant we would need $56,400,000 in cap space.

Here I have projected the salariees and cap holds for next year:



When finding our guaranteed total many people forget teh cap holds for the 1st round picks. These exist regardless of whether we stash them or not. So this pushes us up from $33m to over $40m and gives us $53,350,471 in cap space. Not enough for both Horford and Durant.

So we would need to move RJ Hunter and James Young to make room for them. Not difficult but worth thinking about. This would clear 2 roster spots which might be of benefit.

As I say, if I'm wrong please point it out but this does go against the theory that we can just sign them and be done with it.

[The One]

Thanks for this, money grip!

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

If Yabusele and Zizic are stashed does that take their cap hold off the books?

[TheSundanceKid]

If Yabusele and Zizic are stashed does that take their cap hold off the books?

http://bballbreakdown.com/2014/10/06/what-is-a-cap-hold-and-why-might-one-matter/

I'll refer you to this article, see if you draw the same conclusion as me. To me it seems that for a first round pick the cap hold exists regardless but 2nd round picks to not. I guess it's to do with the guaranteed contract. To get rid of the cap hold you would need to trade the player I believe

[greenrunsdeep41]

This isn't accurate. Sully and Zellers cap hold won't look like this. And I don't believe John holland was a 2 year deal. ( I could be wrong) also I think Jonas and Amir's contracts need to be pick up today?

[greenrunsdeep41]

Also Evan turner is on that list. We don't have his bird rights so there would be no type of cap hold.

[TheSundanceKid]

Also Evan turner is on that list. We don't have his bird rights so there would be no type of cap hold.

This isn't accurate. Sully and Zellers cap hold won't look like this. And I don't believe John holland was a 2 year deal. ( I could be wrong) also I think Jonas and Amir's contracts need to be pick up today?

The cap hold for Zeller and Sully isn't their QO, it's 250% of their previous salary as they earned less than the average salary.

Every free agent has a cap hold until you renounce it. Regardless, the Guaranteed total excludes all 3 as we would need to renounce the rights to them to go for Durant and Horford.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/boston-celtics-team-salary/

This is a great place to look for salary cap details. Only thing they don't have is the rookie cap holds for the upcoming year

[The One]

https://mobile.twitter.com/dangercart/status/746688480428855296/photo/1

Here's a breakdown by Ryan Bernardoni.  According to his analysis, there's 2 max space slots.

[TheSundanceKid]

https://mobile.twitter.com/dangercart/status/746688480428855296/photo/1

Here's a breakdown by Ryan Bernardoni.  According to his analysis, there's 2 max space slots.

They use a different cap calculation to determine the maximum salaries, which is based on 42.14% of projected BRI rather than 44.74%. In 2005 the sides negotiated a different formula for setting the salary cap but not maximum salaries, so the two became decoupled, and this continued in the 2011 agreement. For this reason the maximum salaries are not actually 25%, 30% or 35% of the cap, and instead are a slightly lower amount. For example, even though the salary cap for 2011-12 is $58.044 million and 25% of this amount is $14.511 million, the 0-6 year maximum salary is actually $12,922,194. In addition, for 2012-13 a 5.8% increase in maximum salaries was agreed to, even though the salary cap stayed the same as 2011-12.

From the CBA FAQ. This must be where I have deviated. I've used 30% of the cap which gives a max of $28,200,000 but it looks like it's slightly under that. That $1.7m less for each makes the space.

Problem solved?

[HomerSapien]

Can't we also renounce Sully or Zeller at any point to free up additional space?

[slightly biased bias fan]

We have a team option on Amir Johnson and Turner, Sullinger, Zeller are free agents. We don't have to sign any of them.

[Irish Stew]

I think that all we need to max Durant and Horford is 30% x $94 million x 2 = $56.4 million. Turner is a free agent at midnight. Sullinger and Zeller can be renounced. I don't see the problem. We can also move a contract like Olynyk's if we need to for a future draft pick. Worrying about cap space for Horford and Durant would be a great problem to have. Maybe one of the site's capologists sees some insurmountable issue that I don't. If their max is actually $26.5 million each, that makes things even easier for a total of $53 million.

[TheSundanceKid]

Ok to be clear, in the picture the GUARANTEED total is without all impending free agents and non guaranteed contracts...

So my calculation of $53,350,471 of cap space is based on getting rid of Sully, Zeller, Turner, Johnson, Jerebko and Holland.

My claim was that is not enough to sign Horford and Durant as both will be 30% of the cap. Thanks to The One who linked to a twitter post by Dangercart it appears that the max for Durant and Horford is slightly less than 30% of the cap due to a detail in the CBA. Max salary is actually linked to a slightly lower percentage of BRI than the salary cap. This small discrepancy is nonetheless enough to fit both into our cap space

[LGC88]

Worse case scenario we give Young to a team.

[hodgy03038]

Worse case scenario we give Young to a team.

I think that's a GREAT scenario.