Celtics will make qualifying offer to Sullinger & Zeller

[saltlover]

Bulpett:

According to league-related sources, Celts to give qualifying offers to Jared Sullinger & Tyler Zeller, making them restricted free agents.

As expected.

honestly a bit concerned Zeller signs the QO

I'm not.  It's not that expensive.  We'd be very lucky to get a backup center of even Zeller quality for the room exception of $2.9 million, and that'd likely include a player option for year 2.  One year at a little less than $3.7 million would be a bargain for a backup big.

Of course, him accepting it would not get me excited.  But it certainly doesn't concern me.

Any idea how much Sully's will be?  He qualifies as a starter, which means he gets the same QO as if he was taken 9th overall, but does the fact that Danny gave him 120% of the rookie scale play into that at all?

His QO is the same as Drunmond's.  The starter criteria rule assumes that the 9th pick has the greatest year 4 salary possible (which Drummond did.)

You have exact numbers for both Sully and Zeller?

4.4 and 3.7M respectively.

OK, those are the ones I had to work with. Wasn't sure if they were correct. I assume that once the QO is made, their bigger cap hold is reduced to the QO one.

No, the cap hold is either the qualifying offer or the hold for Bird rights, whichever is larger.  If either sign the QO, then the cap hold would be the QO because that's what their salary is.

[mctyson]

Well the QO for Sully is WAY more team-friendly that the QO for Zeller.

[Beat LA]

Oh for crying out loud .

[kozlodoev]

Bulpett:

According to league-related sources, Celts to give qualifying offers to Jared Sullinger & Tyler Zeller, making them restricted free agents.

As expected.

What's the chances of either of them accepting those offers and waiting until next year to hit free agency in the bigger cap where everyone will have money to throw around? It might make some sense for those two.

Cap is not getting as significantly larger next year as it did this year. They're better off testing the market now before other players ate up the space.

Also... enough already with the both of them.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Bulpett:

According to league-related sources, Celts to give qualifying offers to Jared Sullinger & Tyler Zeller, making them restricted free agents.

As expected.

honestly a bit concerned Zeller signs the QO

I'm not.  It's not that expensive.  We'd be very lucky to get a backup center of even Zeller quality for the room exception of $2.9 million, and that'd likely include a player option for year 2.  One year at a little less than $3.7 million would be a bargain for a backup big.

Of course, him accepting it would not get me excited.  But it certainly doesn't concern me.

Any idea how much Sully's will be?  He qualifies as a starter, which means he gets the same QO as if he was taken 9th overall, but does the fact that Danny gave him 120% of the rookie scale play into that at all?

His QO is the same as Drunmond's.  The starter criteria rule assumes that the 9th pick has the greatest year 4 salary possible (which Drummond did.)

You have exact numbers for both Sully and Zeller?

4.4 and 3.7M respectively.

OK, those are the ones I had to work with. Wasn't sure if they were correct. I assume that once the QO is made, their bigger cap hold is reduced to the QO one.

No, the cap hold is either the qualifying offer or the hold for Bird rights, whichever is larger.  If either sign the QO, then the cap hold would be the QO because that's what their salary is.

So in this particular case, my first estimates for their cap hold was correct? About $12 million total for both of them?

[saltlover]

Bulpett:

According to league-related sources, Celts to give qualifying offers to Jared Sullinger & Tyler Zeller, making them restricted free agents.

As expected.

What's the chances of either of them accepting those offers and waiting until next year to hit free agency in the bigger cap where everyone will have money to throw around? It might make some sense for those two.

Cap is not getting as significantly larger next year as it did this year. They're better off testing the market now before other players ate up the space.

Also... enough already with the both of them.

That is completely incorrect.  The salary cap was forecast to jump from $92 to $111 million back in April. That was before this year's salary cap updated forecast to $94 million in June.  A $20 million jump next year would not be remotely surprising.

[saltlover]

Bulpett:

According to league-related sources, Celts to give qualifying offers to Jared Sullinger & Tyler Zeller, making them restricted free agents.

As expected.

honestly a bit concerned Zeller signs the QO

I'm not.  It's not that expensive.  We'd be very lucky to get a backup center of even Zeller quality for the room exception of $2.9 million, and that'd likely include a player option for year 2.  One year at a little less than $3.7 million would be a bargain for a backup big.

Of course, him accepting it would not get me excited.  But it certainly doesn't concern me.

Any idea how much Sully's will be?  He qualifies as a starter, which means he gets the same QO as if he was taken 9th overall, but does the fact that Danny gave him 120% of the rookie scale play into that at all?

His QO is the same as Drunmond's.  The starter criteria rule assumes that the 9th pick has the greatest year 4 salary possible (which Drummond did.)

You have exact numbers for both Sully and Zeller?

4.4 and 3.7M respectively.

OK, those are the ones I had to work with. Wasn't sure if they were correct. I assume that once the QO is made, their bigger cap hold is reduced to the QO one.

No, the cap hold is either the qualifying offer or the hold for Bird rights, whichever is larger.  If either sign the QO, then the cap hold would be the QO because that's what their salary is.

So in this particular case, my first estimates for their cap hold was correct? About $12 million total for both of them?

Correct.

[Tr1boy]

why Danny WHY???

unless if some team offers compensation if they sign them away (which doesn't work this way in the NBA) , why danny??

Watch both sign the deal. Who is going to want them?

[BudweiserCeltic]

why Danny WHY???

unless if some team offers compensation if they sign them away (which doesn't work this way in the NBA) , why danny??

Watch both sign the deal. Who is going to want them?

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=85838.msg2122155#msg2122155

[Tr1boy]

why Danny WHY???

unless if some team offers compensation if they sign them away (which doesn't work this way in the NBA) , why danny??

Watch both sign the deal. Who is going to want them?

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=85838.msg2122155#msg2122155

Horrible reason to keep them. Even worst case

these athletes should not be getting rich because teams have to meet the cap floor. Or for trade bait

Nonsense


Plus what about picking up options for Amir/Jerebko?

We can't f* have the same PF/C lineup for next season.   

[Tr1boy]

I still cant understand why Danny made offers

Gsw rescinded the offee on Mcadoo and he became a UFA

If Zully plus Turner comeback.... 

[BudweiserCeltic]

I still cant understand why Danny made offers

Gsw rescinded the offee on Mcadoo and he became a UFA

If Zully plus Turner comeback.... 

Golden State has cap space issues... we don't.

I already linked you to the reasons above. If you can't get that through your head, nothing we can do about it.

[Tr1boy]

I still cant understand why Danny made offers

Gsw rescinded the offee on Mcadoo and he became a UFA

If Zully plus Turner comeback.... 

Golden State has cap space issues... we don't.

I already linked you to the reasons above. If you can't get that through your head, nothing we can do about it.

Get it through your head. It's a bad move and no need to risk for them to sign

[BudweiserCeltic]

I still cant understand why Danny made offers

Gsw rescinded the offee on Mcadoo and he became a UFA

If Zully plus Turner comeback.... 

Golden State has cap space issues... we don't.

I already linked you to the reasons above. If you can't get that through your head, nothing we can do about it.

Get ir through your head. It's a bad move and no need to risk for them to sign

The risk is incredibly minimal. It doesn't prevent us from targeting the players we want to target. We can rescind the qualifying offer at any point in time if we so wish it  until July 23. After that only with player's consent.

[The Oracle]

I still cant understand why Danny made offers

Gsw rescinded the offee on Mcadoo and he became a UFA

If Zully plus Turner comeback.... 

How is this a bad move?  Do you think you understand this situation better than Danny?  If either one of them sign an offer sheet that the C's do not wish to match, then they just don't match them.  If either one of them sign the Q.O. then they will be imminently tradable on those cheep contracts and thus become assets.

Golden State has cap space issues... we don't.

I already linked you to the reasons above. If you can't get that through your head, nothing we can do about it.

Get it through your head. It's a bad move and no need to risk for them to sign