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Re: Note - options on Amir and Jerebko due Thursday
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2016, 09:46:37 PM »

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Jerebko is a good deal and I doubt we can find a better one year value contract in this free agency season. Someone might take Amir off our hands, but it's also possible we need to give up another asset to unload him if we find ourselves in a pickle.

Re: Note - options on Amir and Jerebko due Thursday
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2016, 10:01:25 PM »

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Amir and JJ are both on very affordable one year contracts giving teams who strike out in this free agency (or don't quite get everything they want) to give it a strong go next year.

I think we are going to be blown away by some of the contracts given out this off-season - not necessarily the max-level ones, but the 1 and 1 contracts where very average players make huge amounts of money for a single season. Even the salary floor is exploding, so there is no reason for teams not to spend up to it and then have even more absurd amounts of money to spend next off-season.

Re: Note - options on Amir and Jerebko due Thursday
« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2016, 10:04:57 PM »

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Both these options will be steals compared to the market.  That is for sure.
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Re: Note - options on Amir and Jerebko due Thursday
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2016, 10:13:27 PM »

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Both these options will be steals compared to the market.  That is for sure.

Having steals on one-year deals without managing to acquire top talent is meaningless. You're better off putting yourself in the optimum position to draw two maximum players. The opportunity cost is much higher retaining Jerebko and Amir than letting them go and make due with whatever happens.

Now, if you tell me we had Amir and Jerebko signed on these contracts for few years more, then that's something valuable because we can build around that. But for a marginal improvement on the roster for one year at the risk of complicating the potential acquisition of two max players it's simply not worth it.

Re: Note - options on Amir and Jerebko due Thursday
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2016, 10:14:55 PM »

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Please decline them both.  Please.

Re: Note - options on Amir and Jerebko due Thursday
« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2016, 10:37:01 PM »

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Why Pick up options on these guys when there are far better options in Free agency? Makes zero sense.

Johnson is a dime a dozen and Jerebko is a JAG.
Value of their contracts.

Yeah, I can't imagine Amir's contract is a dime a dozen given where salaries are headed under this new inflated cap structure.

Talent-wise, there certainly could be better options out there.  Not necessarily from a contract standpoint, though.

 Since when are we rooting for contracts?
Johnson cannot play 40 minutes and Jerebko is a borderline nba player who cannot play D or run the floor much like Olynyk.

Clear the space

Re: Note - options on Amir and Jerebko due Thursday
« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2016, 10:39:33 PM »

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Both these options will be steals compared to the market.  That is for sure.

Having steals on one-year deals without managing to acquire top talent is meaningless. You're better off putting yourself in the optimum position to draw two maximum players. The opportunity cost is much higher retaining Jerebko and Amir than letting them go and make due with whatever happens.

Now, if you tell me we had Amir and Jerebko signed on these contracts for few years more, then that's something valuable because we can build around that. But for a marginal improvement on the roster for one year at the risk of complicating the potential acquisition of two max players it's simply not worth it.

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Re: Note - options on Amir and Jerebko due Thursday
« Reply #52 on: June 28, 2016, 10:42:21 PM »

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Both these options will be steals compared to the market.  That is for sure.

Having steals on one-year deals without managing to acquire top talent is meaningless. You're better off putting yourself in the optimum position to draw two maximum players. The opportunity cost is much higher retaining Jerebko and Amir than letting them go and make due with whatever happens.

Now, if you tell me we had Amir and Jerebko signed on these contracts for few years more, then that's something valuable because we can build around that. But for a marginal improvement on the roster for one year at the risk of complicating the potential acquisition of two max players it's simply not worth it.

This is sooo true. I wish I had more TPs to give.

Re: Note - options on Amir and Jerebko due Thursday
« Reply #53 on: June 28, 2016, 10:43:58 PM »

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Both these options will be steals compared to the market.  That is for sure.

Having steals on one-year deals without managing to acquire top talent is meaningless. You're better off putting yourself in the optimum position to draw two maximum players. The opportunity cost is much higher retaining Jerebko and Amir than letting them go and make due with whatever happens.

Now, if you tell me we had Amir and Jerebko signed on these contracts for few years more, then that's something valuable because we can build around that. But for a marginal improvement on the roster for one year at the risk of complicating the potential acquisition of two max players it's simply not worth it.

I don't think we are going to get any big players.  Sorry to be negative.  I would love Durant.  You guys are saying I'm a homer with our players but I just think Durant signs back in OKC for a year and Horford goes back to ATL.
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Re: Note - options on Amir and Jerebko due Thursday
« Reply #54 on: June 28, 2016, 10:46:18 PM »

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You can always make a trade to upgrade.

Re: Note - options on Amir and Jerebko due Thursday
« Reply #55 on: June 28, 2016, 11:06:56 PM »

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Both these options will be steals compared to the market.  That is for sure.

Having steals on one-year deals without managing to acquire top talent is meaningless. You're better off putting yourself in the optimum position to draw two maximum players. The opportunity cost is much higher retaining Jerebko and Amir than letting them go and make due with whatever happens.

Now, if you tell me we had Amir and Jerebko signed on these contracts for few years more, then that's something valuable because we can build around that. But for a marginal improvement on the roster for one year at the risk of complicating the potential acquisition of two max players it's simply not worth it.

I don't think we are going to get any big players.  Sorry to be negative.  I would love Durant.  You guys are saying I'm a homer with our players but I just think Durant signs back in OKC for a year and Horford goes back to ATL.

That's all besides the point. You don't cut off your legs on the opportunity to be in play just to keep 2 players that are easily replaceable on one year contracts. More than that, their inclusion would be in the end meaningless in the scheme of things. No big upgrade in talent, the team doesn't go anywhere this season... so no need to bother keeping these two players regardless of the scenario all told.

Re: Note - options on Amir and Jerebko due Thursday
« Reply #56 on: June 28, 2016, 11:12:37 PM »

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Both these options will be steals compared to the market.  That is for sure.

Having steals on one-year deals without managing to acquire top talent is meaningless. You're better off putting yourself in the optimum position to draw two maximum players. The opportunity cost is much higher retaining Jerebko and Amir than letting them go and make due with whatever happens.

Now, if you tell me we had Amir and Jerebko signed on these contracts for few years more, then that's something valuable because we can build around that. But for a marginal improvement on the roster for one year at the risk of complicating the potential acquisition of two max players it's simply not worth it.

Yeah, and passing on available talent in the first round, especially, is worse than either of those options, imo.  Ugh.  At least we'd have a couple more talented guys for next year in the likely event that no one comes here, but noooooo ::).

Re: Note - options on Amir and Jerebko due Thursday
« Reply #57 on: June 28, 2016, 11:20:44 PM »

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Both these options will be steals compared to the market.  That is for sure.

Having steals on one-year deals without managing to acquire top talent is meaningless. You're better off putting yourself in the optimum position to draw two maximum players. The opportunity cost is much higher retaining Jerebko and Amir than letting them go and make due with whatever happens.

Now, if you tell me we had Amir and Jerebko signed on these contracts for few years more, then that's something valuable because we can build around that. But for a marginal improvement on the roster for one year at the risk of complicating the potential acquisition of two max players it's simply not worth it.

This is sooo true. I wish I had more TPs to give.

Sorry, I haven't got a calculator handy, but are you sure that signing JJ and Amir (although letting Zeller and Sully leave, i.e. not even extending them the QO) will not leave enough space to sign two max contracts? Pretty sure our salary sits at around 50mill after guaranteeing JJ and Amir (and not counting Sully or Zeller's QO), Yabu's cap hold doesn't matter coz he is still under contract in EU, not sure about Zizic's sitch.

P.S I really like Horford's game, but paying him 25.3 million dollars hurts, especially when that is all you can pay Durant too (when Durant deserves double that). That being said, you can give Durant a 1 year deal, and re-up him with a long term deal next year when the cap explodes. Also, sucks that Turner doesn't have Bird Rights (as far as I can tell).
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Re: Note - options on Amir and Jerebko due Thursday
« Reply #58 on: June 28, 2016, 11:43:29 PM »

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Both these options will be steals compared to the market.  That is for sure.

Having steals on one-year deals without managing to acquire top talent is meaningless. You're better off putting yourself in the optimum position to draw two maximum players. The opportunity cost is much higher retaining Jerebko and Amir than letting them go and make due with whatever happens.

Now, if you tell me we had Amir and Jerebko signed on these contracts for few years more, then that's something valuable because we can build around that. But for a marginal improvement on the roster for one year at the risk of complicating the potential acquisition of two max players it's simply not worth it.

This is sooo true. I wish I had more TPs to give.

Sorry, I haven't got a calculator handy, but are you sure that signing JJ and Amir (although letting Zeller and Sully leave, i.e. not even extending them the QO) will not leave enough space to sign two max contracts? Pretty sure our salary sits at around 50mill after guaranteeing JJ and Amir (and not counting Sully or Zeller's QO), Yabu's cap hold doesn't matter coz he is still under contract in EU, not sure about Zizic's sitch.

P.S I really like Horford's game, but paying him 25.3 million dollars hurts, especially when that is all you can pay Durant too (when Durant deserves double that). That being said, you can give Durant a 1 year deal, and re-up him with a long term deal next year when the cap explodes. Also, sucks that Turner doesn't have Bird Rights (as far as I can tell).

Even if we ultimately stash Yabu and Ante, their cap hold matters. 

Re: Note - options on Amir and Jerebko due Thursday
« Reply #59 on: June 28, 2016, 11:56:40 PM »

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Both these options will be steals compared to the market.  That is for sure.

Having steals on one-year deals without managing to acquire top talent is meaningless. You're better off putting yourself in the optimum position to draw two maximum players. The opportunity cost is much higher retaining Jerebko and Amir than letting them go and make due with whatever happens.

Now, if you tell me we had Amir and Jerebko signed on these contracts for few years more, then that's something valuable because we can build around that. But for a marginal improvement on the roster for one year at the risk of complicating the potential acquisition of two max players it's simply not worth it.

This is sooo true. I wish I had more TPs to give.

Sorry, I haven't got a calculator handy, but are you sure that signing JJ and Amir (although letting Zeller and Sully leave, i.e. not even extending them the QO) will not leave enough space to sign two max contracts? Pretty sure our salary sits at around 50mill after guaranteeing JJ and Amir (and not counting Sully or Zeller's QO), Yabu's cap hold doesn't matter coz he is still under contract in EU, not sure about Zizic's sitch.

P.S I really like Horford's game, but paying him 25.3 million dollars hurts, especially when that is all you can pay Durant too (when Durant deserves double that). That being said, you can give Durant a 1 year deal, and re-up him with a long term deal next year when the cap explodes. Also, sucks that Turner doesn't have Bird Rights (as far as I can tell).

Even if we ultimately stash Yabu and Ante, their cap hold matters.

Actually, "stashing" results in no cap hold. Until a draftee signs his rookie contract, he counts zero towards the cap.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q51

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51. What if the team and their drafted player can't agree to a contract? What options does the player have? How long does the team keep his draft rights?

The player's options are limited. What happens depends on a number of factors:

    If the player is already under contract to, or signs a contract with a non-NBA team, the team retains the player's draft rights for one year after the player's obligation to the non-NBA team ends. Essentially, the clock stops as long as the player plays pro ball outside the NBA. Players are not included in team salary during the regular season while the player is under contract with a non-NBA team.
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