What did Ainge need to hit in the draft and did he?

[Eja117]

Sorta a similar poll as the objective one, but a tad more abstract I suppose.

I think he needed to hit a home run and he didn't. I think like Marcus Smart he got a single, or maybe a stretch double, and a couple more singles, but that's it.

I don't think there were any home runs to be had after the top two picks, so he went swinging for the fences. Danny hasn't drafted well since Avery Bradley in 2010, and he didn't draft well before that since 2004, so I'm not overly optimistic about Jaylen ever being an all star, but I admit Jaylen is a fine prospect and there were no other obvious ones to take.

I would also say if he had traded #3 and #51 or something for Noel/Okafor, Covington, and the late ones that would have been a triple.

[BitterJim]

It's impossible to tell how he drafted for a couple of years, or at LEAST until we see them play a game

Sorta a similar poll as the objective one, but a tad more abstract I suppose.

I think he needed to hit a home run and he didn't. I think like Marcus Smart he got a single, or maybe a stretch double, and a couple more singles, but that's it.

I don't think there were any home runs to be had after the top two picks, so he went swinging for the fences. Danny hasn't drafted well since Avery Bradley in 2010, and he didn't draft well before that since 2004, so I'm not overly optimistic about Jaylen ever being an all star, but I admit Jaylen is a fine prospect and there were no other obvious ones to take.

I would also say if he had traded #3 and #51 or something for Noel/Okafor, Covington, and the late ones that would have been a triple.

Apparently, drafting Rondo at 21 was not a good one.  Huh, you learn something new every day

[danglertx]

If he got a double and two singles, isn't that better than a homerun?

[Eja117]

It's impossible to tell how he drafted for a couple of years, or at LEAST until we see them play a game

Sorta a similar poll as the objective one, but a tad more abstract I suppose.

I think he needed to hit a home run and he didn't. I think like Marcus Smart he got a single, or maybe a stretch double, and a couple more singles, but that's it.

I don't think there were any home runs to be had after the top two picks, so he went swinging for the fences. Danny hasn't drafted well since Avery Bradley in 2010, and he didn't draft well before that since 2004, so I'm not overly optimistic about Jaylen ever being an all star, but I admit Jaylen is a fine prospect and there were no other obvious ones to take.

I would also say if he had traded #3 and #51 or something for Noel/Okafor, Covington, and the late ones that would have been a triple.

Apparently, drafting Rondo at 21 was not a good one.  Huh, you learn something new every day

Oh right. I forgot. He did very well in 2006 ten years ago.

[Eja117]

If he got a double and two singles, isn't that better than a homerun?

I would say no, but I see what you're saying. Maybe a double and two singles is better than a home run and strike outs. There is something to be said for quantity over quality.

[Eja117]

It's impossible to tell how he drafted for a couple of years, or at LEAST until we see them play a game

Sorta a similar poll as the objective one, but a tad more abstract I suppose.

I think he needed to hit a home run and he didn't. I think like Marcus Smart he got a single, or maybe a stretch double, and a couple more singles, but that's it.

I don't think there were any home runs to be had after the top two picks, so he went swinging for the fences. Danny hasn't drafted well since Avery Bradley in 2010, and he didn't draft well before that since 2004, so I'm not overly optimistic about Jaylen ever being an all star, but I admit Jaylen is a fine prospect and there were no other obvious ones to take.

I would also say if he had traded #3 and #51 or something for Noel/Okafor, Covington, and the late ones that would have been a triple.

Apparently, drafting Rondo at 21 was not a good one.  Huh, you learn something new every day

Avoiding the question I see. Good strategy.

[Eja117]

One thing about this draft is I hope Ainge is really really really sure that Jaylen will be very very good, because as of now I'm in the Simmons camp of "Why didn't he just trade down and get more assets and still get Jaylen or a comparable player?"

If Jaylen turns out to be the 6th best player in this draft, unless this draft is really really really good generating debate as to the best players, then this draft is a total loss.

If he just gets kinda Batum type player, but there are 4 all stars ahead of him this draft is a total loss.

[BitterJim]

It's impossible to tell how he drafted for a couple of years, or at LEAST until we see them play a game

Sorta a similar poll as the objective one, but a tad more abstract I suppose.

I think he needed to hit a home run and he didn't. I think like Marcus Smart he got a single, or maybe a stretch double, and a couple more singles, but that's it.

I don't think there were any home runs to be had after the top two picks, so he went swinging for the fences. Danny hasn't drafted well since Avery Bradley in 2010, and he didn't draft well before that since 2004, so I'm not overly optimistic about Jaylen ever being an all star, but I admit Jaylen is a fine prospect and there were no other obvious ones to take.

I would also say if he had traded #3 and #51 or something for Noel/Okafor, Covington, and the late ones that would have been a triple.

Apparently, drafting Rondo at 21 was not a good one.  Huh, you learn something new every day

Avoiding the question I see. Good strategy.

I learned from the best

Not really.  It's hard to judge a draft before we even see any of the people we pick play a game.  Homeruns seems to refer to people that far exceed their draft position, with strikeouts being busts, etc., but these really aren't things you can tell from right after draft night.

Steph Curry and Deandre Jordon didn't look like homeruns the night after the draft, but look at them now.  Or look at Tyreke Evans, who looked like a good pick right after the draft, and a homerun after 1 season, but is now more of a double.  You can go ahead and judge it now, but the draft is a crapshoot and it's all just speculation

[danglertx]

If he got a double and two singles, isn't that better than a homerun?

I would say no, but I see what you're saying. Maybe a double and two singles is better than a home run and strike outs. There is something to be said for quantity over quality.

If you don't think a double and two singles are as good or better than a homerun, then you don't know baseball or analogies.  Basically Ainge got us 8 plate appearances this inning.  He is pinch hitting two of those way off into the future but according to you got two singles and a double which is just pure speculation on your part.  He could have struck out six times or hit two singles and four homeruns.  The truth is we won't know for years to come.

But lets go with your assumption that he hit a double and two singles, and Marcus Smart is a single after two years to view him.  Who would be a double and who would be a homerun?  Is Serge Ibaka a double?  If we got him and two more Marcus Smarts we are going to be loaded.  Almost every game I'd see Smart do something on defense I don't think I've ever seen before.  I've never seen a guy just take the ball away from so many other players, just reach in and grab it.  If we get an offensive version of that, or two more defensive versions with how strong, taller, and longer Brown, Zizic, and Bentil look I'd be pretty pleased and we are going to be a really tough out.

[Eja117]

If he got a double and two singles, isn't that better than a homerun?

I would say no, but I see what you're saying. Maybe a double and two singles is better than a home run and strike outs. There is something to be said for quantity over quality.

If you don't think a double and two singles are as good or better than a homerun, then you don't know baseball or analogies.  Basically Ainge got us 8 plate appearances this inning.  He is pinch hitting two of those way off into the future but according to you got two singles and a double which is just pure speculation on your part.  He could have struck out six times or hit two singles and four homeruns.  The truth is we won't know for years to come.

But lets go with your assumption that he hit a double and two singles, and Marcus Smart is a single after two years to view him.  Who would be a double and who would be a homerun?  Is Serge Ibaka a double?  If we got him and two more Marcus Smarts we are going to be loaded.  Almost every game I'd see Smart do something on defense I don't think I've ever seen before.  I've never seen a guy just take the ball away from so many other players, just reach in and grab it.  If we get an offensive version of that, or two more defensive versions with how strong, taller, and longer Brown, Zizic, and Bentil look I'd be pretty pleased and we are going to be a really tough out.

But I've also never seen a player shoot so many airballs either.

I know I'm supposed to give some sort of benefit of the doubt to Jaylen and Ainge, and I'm supposed to give at least a year of development to a 19 year old. I know I'm not supposed to have high immediate expectations in this new NBA where players are drafted on potential. But I just don't do what I'm supposed to do. Not when the draft record is so poor.

[max215]

He needed a fly ball that will make it out in the right park; he got that.

[td450]

One thing about this draft is I hope Ainge is really really really sure that Jaylen will be very very good, because as of now I'm in the Simmons camp of "Why didn't he just trade down and get more assets and still get Jaylen or a comparable player?"

If Jaylen turns out to be the 6th best player in this draft, unless this draft is really really really good generating debate as to the best players, then this draft is a total loss.

If he just gets kinda Batum type player, but there are 4 all stars ahead of him this draft is a total loss.

I think Simmons was wrong. Were any teams offering players that would break into our rotation? I'd say Covington wasn't going to play much for us, and even if he did, that means wasting Rozier and Hunter. No one was offering up a starting caliber player that we'd want. We don't need any late firsts. We have too many of those assets already.

The only real question was whether Noel was better for us, even though #3 was an overpay. Apparently Danny thought not.

[LooseCannon]

One thing about this draft is I hope Ainge is really really really sure that Jaylen will be very very good, because as of now I'm in the Simmons camp of "Why didn't he just trade down and get more assets and still get Jaylen or a comparable player?"

If Jaylen turns out to be the 6th best player in this draft, unless this draft is really really really good generating debate as to the best players, then this draft is a total loss.

If he just gets kinda Batum type player, but there are 4 all stars ahead of him this draft is a total loss.

What if this draft has six HOF players?  What if Brown is the 6th best player but the 3rd best player drafted by the Celtics?

[hpantazo]

One thing about this draft is I hope Ainge is really really really sure that Jaylen will be very very good, because as of now I'm in the Simmons camp of "Why didn't he just trade down and get more assets and still get Jaylen or a comparable player?"

If Jaylen turns out to be the 6th best player in this draft, unless this draft is really really really good generating debate as to the best players, then this draft is a total loss.

If he just gets kinda Batum type player, but there are 4 all stars ahead of him this draft is a total loss.

What if trading down would have eliminated our cap ability to sign two max free agents? If the option was to trade down for more picks, we had more than enough picks already in this draft.

[Eja117]

One thing about this draft is I hope Ainge is really really really sure that Jaylen will be very very good, because as of now I'm in the Simmons camp of "Why didn't he just trade down and get more assets and still get Jaylen or a comparable player?"

If Jaylen turns out to be the 6th best player in this draft, unless this draft is really really really good generating debate as to the best players, then this draft is a total loss.

If he just gets kinda Batum type player, but there are 4 all stars ahead of him this draft is a total loss.

What if trading down would have eliminated our cap ability to sign two max free agents? If the option was to trade down for more picks, we had more than enough picks already in this draft.

Two words....Euro...stash.  It's not just for the Spurs and other great teams.