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Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2016, 11:48:17 AM »

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Any chance that this change in stance triggers ANOTHER referendum, this time to stay in the EU?  They still have 2 years, things may change
England is already out of many EU mechanisms (the Euro, the Schengen visa agreement, etc.) by virtue of being of the founding members and thus having a good amount of bargaining power. Thus, to the extent to which the UK is already benefiting from a good amount of exceptions, some of the EU leadership seems pretty bitter about this vote and has declared that "out is out". The biggest implication seems to be that the UK will have to leave the common market and negotiate whatever they can negotiate with the EU subsequently. Furthermore, if they ever want back in, they'll be subject to a full-fledged admission procedure which would likely include losing all the opt-out benefits they previously had.

Holy crap.  This is somehow even more of a ****-show than I thought
I'm bitter.

Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2016, 11:49:21 AM »

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 Oh, yes. That makes sense. Boris Johnson and co. are already beating around the bush, saying that "there is no need to invoke Article 50 right away" but I have the feeling that is not going to fly with Brussels.
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Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2016, 11:52:51 AM »

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I agree ... the longer it takes the worst for everyone .. IMHO Brussels wants to play hard so other countries won t follow the same path

Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2016, 12:05:27 PM »

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Oh, yes. That makes sense. Boris Johnson and co. are already beating around the bush, saying that "there is no need to invoke Article 50 right away" but I have the feeling that is not going to fly with Brussels.
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This hurts the EU as well and letting UK try to claim they might go backsies hurts EU while UK still sits on the tangible benefits at the moment doesn't benefit them. Obviously the panic and uncertainty hurting every major western market atm as people freak out.

Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2016, 12:25:13 PM »

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Oh, that was to be expected. I was talking about David Cameron.

Just to be sure, as I realize now that this could be taken the wrong way without context, that was cynicism and tongue-in-cheek.

The real problem are obviously the far-right nut cases.
For Brutus is an honorable man; So are they all, all honorable men.

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Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2016, 12:27:46 PM »

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Kind of, I mean this was a completely unforced error by Cameron. He had high ranking Tories telling him so from the very start too.

Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2016, 12:30:24 PM »

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Kind of, I mean this was a completely unforced error by Cameron. He had high ranking Tories telling him so from the very start too.

Exactly. Still, you never know when you take certain liberties in a language that is not your first.
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Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2016, 12:37:24 PM »

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Kind of, I mean this was a completely unforced error by Cameron. He had high ranking Tories telling him so from the very start too.

Exactly. Still, you never know when you take certain liberties in a language that is not your first.
Yeah I don't know who I blame more. UKIP people or Cameron.

UKIP drove it more, but Cameron was PM and should have been more responsible and avoiding a gamble that a popular referendum is. (on almost any topic!)

Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2016, 12:47:10 PM »

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What is Calipari thinking!?

Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2016, 12:51:22 PM »

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Oh, that was to be expected. I was talking about David Cameron.

Just to be sure, as I realize now that this could be taken the wrong way without context, that was cynicism and tongue-in-cheek.

The real problem are obviously the far-right nut cases.
The thing is there have already been motions to do a revote. But I don't think the UK can do that (or ignore the results, even if nonbinding) and retain any sort of credibility.
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Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2016, 03:52:41 AM »

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I don`t know how to call this.... tragic or funny ???

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwall-issues-plea-for-funding-protection-after-county-overwhelmingly-votes-in-favour-of-a7101311.html


In germany Die Welt cites a confidential finace ministry report saying that France ,Holland, Austria, Finland will(can) follow England.... One "small" detail is that UK was not part of the Eurozone.

Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2016, 05:53:11 AM »

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So there's a couple of things to note about this situation:

1) Scottish referendum. There really is no basis for another one. It is desperate opportunism on the part of the SNP. London has a larger population and voted more overwhelmingly to stay in. Whilst rumours have circulated about a city state London in reality that could never happen. Scotland leaving would mean a land border with England, something inconceivable as things currently stand. Scotland would also need to take on the Euro which completely changes their financial models. Furthermore, the impact this result will have on the EU has to be accounted for. Is it going to be a more attractive proposition than staying?

2) There were 2 distinct groups who voted leave. The working class who have felt marginalised and ignored by politicians and globalisation. This was a significant win for them long term. The freedom of movement has evolved in a way that is detrimental to the working man. Secondly there were those who wanted to regain the democracy. These people essentially want more tax control and freedom from things like CAP. Often ignored in the debate was that both of these groups had very legitimate claims. Instead of listening to the root causes people just called them racists and bigots which was unhelpful.

3) Long term the economic picture will recover. I don't doubt that at all. What will be defining about this is how the EU react. If they take the hard-line stance to deter future withdrawals things will get messy quickly. Britain will be left very damaged but the EU will end up the same. There is little room for error from them at the moment with the banking crisis in Italy looming, anti EU feeling across Europe and Greece still a major issue. The other path for them is to reform. Something has to give for the disconnect between politicians and people to disappear.

Already there are 2 sides forming in Europe. Merkel and the eastern countries want to take this slow and rework our relationship, France wants to cut the cord and punish us.

I think people will end up surprised at how effective this exit will be. Behind all the posturing on both sides is a serious need for agreement.

I voted to remain but I was on the fence for quite a while. The vote is done now, there will be a change in the relationship with Europe. What will be interesting is how the leave leaders woo those who voted remain to support their new plan. I for one do not see us isolating ourselves, rather continuing our economic relationship with Europe whilst disentangling ourselves from the political beast theat is the EU.
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Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2016, 06:56:23 AM »

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It seems that Nationalism, which is what this was about to some degree (Britian First) is on the rise not just here. I think fear and anti-immigrant sentiment played into this as well.

I used to order a lot from England by since the EU and the VAT, I no longer do so.  I wish that would go by the wayside.

Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2016, 08:28:44 AM »

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Immigration was the main issue . at least that`s how it looked to the rest oft Europe.

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Already there are 2 sides forming in Europe. Merkel and the eastern countries want to take this slow and rework our relationship, France wants to cut the cord and punish us.

I don`t think that Germany is very eager to do this. Listening to Merkel Schauble and Junger got the impression they want if not to "get back" at UK at least to cut the ties asap

Without any real knowledge of economics i also believe that nothing extremely bad will happen to the UK but i really doubt this will make things significantly better. So far EU leaders don`t seem very eager to change their policies.....

I don`t know how valid is this but i`ve read that there is a movement to cancel the referendum because by law it requires +75% participation and at least 60% majority

Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2016, 08:56:00 AM »

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