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Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2016, 09:58:25 AM »

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nice question ... but nobody knows....
Most in Europe fear a domino effect with other countries leaving the EU.The Vysehrad countries are the first candidates. You can see also that the stockmarkets everywhere suffer today.... The truth is that Europe (and the whole world) are in uncharted waters right now....

But there is still hope for Cameron .... He call the Greek prime minister ... He has experience altering the results of a referendum


In a more serious comment the results were pretty close and a referendum in England is not binding so Cameron could just ignore it..... He is dead politically either way

Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2016, 09:58:31 AM »

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Not really up to speed on global politics. Could someone summarize what kind of ramifications this could have? It'd be much appreciated.
UK will have to renegotiate a ton of trade treaties and immigration pacts with EVERYONE as they are all done via EU now.

Economic damage to UK will likely be substantial, Northern Ireland and Scotland could both leave the UK.

Even London is trying to find a way to separate.  It's crazy.
London can toss bricks, they're not going anywhere.

Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2016, 11:04:35 AM »

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Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2016, 11:09:19 AM »

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If Northern Ieraland were to leave, woulf it be to merge with the rest of Ireland, or become their own country?

That will be a referendum put forth.  The Sinn Fein party has already said they will do so.

My guess is yes, because Ireland is part of the EU, so Northern Ireland could just join automatically, unlike Scotland, which would have to apply and potentially go through a stage of preliminary membership.

If Scotland left the UK before they officially split from Europe, would they still have to reapply, or would they be grandfathered in?
I'm bitter.

Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2016, 11:17:06 AM »

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If Northern Ieraland were to leave, woulf it be to merge with the rest of Ireland, or become their own country?

That will be a referendum put forth.  The Sinn Fein party has already said they will do so.

My guess is yes, because Ireland is part of the EU, so Northern Ireland could just join automatically, unlike Scotland, which would have to apply and potentially go through a stage of preliminary membership.

If Scotland left the UK before they officially split from Europe, would they still have to reapply, or would they be grandfathered in?
There is a 2-year separation period for a leaving member. I'm sure they'll figure it out.
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Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2016, 11:18:28 AM »

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Not really up to speed on global politics. Could someone summarize what kind of ramifications this could have? It'd be much appreciated.
UK will have to renegotiate a ton of trade treaties and immigration pacts with EVERYONE as they are all done via EU now.

Economic damage to UK will likely be substantial, Northern Ireland and Scotland could both leave the UK.

Even London is trying to find a way to separate.  It's crazy.
London can toss bricks, they're not going anywhere.

TP for the info. You, too, Ederson.
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Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2016, 11:20:29 AM »

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This is high comedy now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-man_uk_576cf8e4e4b08d2c5638ee29

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b) be careful who you vote into a position of power. Don't fall for the guy who's just appealing to your primal instincts
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Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2016, 11:24:14 AM »

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This is high comedy now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-man_uk_576cf8e4e4b08d2c5638ee29

A gentle reminder that

a) education is important, kids
and
b) be careful who you vote into a position of power. Don't fall for the guy who's just appealing to your primal instincts
Farrage and co have already backtracked on all their unfeasible populist claims by the way. I'm looking forward to the impending Scottish independence referendum and Irish unification vote.
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Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2016, 11:30:14 AM »

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This is high comedy now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-man_uk_576cf8e4e4b08d2c5638ee29

A gentle reminder that

a) education is important, kids
and
b) be careful who you vote into a position of power. Don't fall for the guy who's just appealing to your primal instincts
Farrage and co have already backtracked on all their unfeasible populist claims by the way. I'm looking forward to the impending Scottish independence referendum and Irish unification vote.
Yeah the people empowered by this want no part of actually putting money into helping the people who voted to leave.

Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2016, 11:32:51 AM »

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This is high comedy now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-man_uk_576cf8e4e4b08d2c5638ee29

A gentle reminder that

a) education is important, kids
and
b) be careful who you vote into a position of power. Don't fall for the guy who's just appealing to your primal instincts
Farrage and co have already backtracked on all their unfeasible populist claims by the way. I'm looking forward to the impending Scottish independence referendum and Irish unification vote.
Yeah the people empowered by this want no part of actually putting money into helping the people who voted to leave.

Any chance that this change in stance triggers ANOTHER referendum, this time to stay in the EU?  They still have 2 years, things may change
I'm bitter.

Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2016, 11:35:47 AM »

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This is high comedy now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-man_uk_576cf8e4e4b08d2c5638ee29

A gentle reminder that

a) education is important, kids
and
b) be careful who you vote into a position of power. Don't fall for the guy who's just appealing to your primal instincts
Farrage and co have already backtracked on all their unfeasible populist claims by the way. I'm looking forward to the impending Scottish independence referendum and Irish unification vote.
Yeah the people empowered by this want no part of actually putting money into helping the people who voted to leave.
It's such an easy scheme though: (1) say you will put 350 million pounds a week in the health service, (2) win laborers' vote by a large majority, (3) admit it was "a mistake" to promise that. It's not even about whether you want to do that or not, it's completely unfeasible.
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Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2016, 11:42:47 AM »

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And very popular if I may add

The result of the referendum is not binding. Cameron can ignore it but if he envokes article 50 and the process starts I don't think there is a way back.. 

Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2016, 11:43:15 AM »

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Any chance that this change in stance triggers ANOTHER referendum, this time to stay in the EU?  They still have 2 years, things may change
England is already out of many EU mechanisms (the Euro, the Schengen visa agreement, etc.) by virtue of being of the founding members and thus having a good amount of bargaining power. Thus, to the extent to which the UK is already benefiting from a good amount of exceptions, some of the EU leadership seems pretty bitter about this vote and has declared that "out is out". The biggest implication seems to be that the UK will have to leave the common market and negotiate whatever they can negotiate with the EU subsequently. Furthermore, if they ever want back in, they'll be subject to a full-fledged admission procedure which would likely include losing all the opt-out benefits they previously had.

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Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2016, 11:44:22 AM »

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And very popular if I may add

The result of the referendum is not binding. Cameron can ignore it but if he envokes article 50 and the process starts I don't think there is a way back..
Cameron already resigned at 8am today. Someone else is handling this.
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Re: UK votes to leave EU
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2016, 11:47:03 AM »

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This is high comedy now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-man_uk_576cf8e4e4b08d2c5638ee29

A gentle reminder that

a) education is important, kids
and
b) be careful who you vote into a position of power. Don't fall for the guy who's just appealing to your primal instincts
Farrage and co have already backtracked on all their unfeasible populist claims by the way.

Oh, that was to be expected. I was talking about David Cameron.

Also relevant

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/06/24/daily-202-stop-underestimating-trump-brexit-vote-shows-why-he-can-win/576c89e9981b92a22d2dd3dc/


Any chance that this change in stance triggers ANOTHER referendum, this time to stay in the EU?  They still have 2 years, things may change

Martin Schulz, president of the european parliament, already said they want to speed up the process.

per the Guardian

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As the EU’s institutions scrambled to respond to the bodyblow of Britain’s exit, Schulz said uncertainty was “the opposite of what we need”, adding that it was difficult to accept that “a whole continent is taken hostage because of an internal fight in the Tory party”.

“I doubt it is only in the hands of the government of the United Kingdom,” he said. “We have to take note of this unilateral declaration that they want to wait until October, but that must not be the last word.”
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