Stein - Sixers offered Noel, Covington, 24, and 26 for 3

[colincb]

Wasn't overwhelmed by the Sixers deal. Who knows what the Bulls deal was. So it came down to the guy I wanted vs the guy Danny wanted, I lost.

Brown has a high ceiling and a high enough floor with his defense that he won't be a complete bust, but he's got a while to go offensively. Is a better fit than Dunn though.

[Fafnir]

Covington and two late firsts doesn't change things much.

It is Noel vs Jaylen Brown. Fair enough that Ainge rated Brown over Noel. Brown is a two way player and Noel is defensive specialist.

If anything the picks are a problem given our roster space situation and other two first round picks. We'd have to auction two of them off.

[D Dub]

Sitting here at mechanic with huge Philly fan.   

Both of us would have loved this deal.   

Truth is, Brown might not even beat out Crowder for the starting job.    But adding Noel to the best defensive back court in the league?   That would have been a game changer.   

All I know is that Brown BETTER be legit because it's looking like DA way over-played his hand on the trade front, then left better players on the board with the pick.   

[celticsclay]

It is shocking how low Noel's value is. He isn't even the ballpark for trading the 3rd pick in the draft when he is totally healthy.......

[csfansince60s]

It is shocking how low Noel's value is. He isn't even the ballpark for trading the 3rd pick in the draft when he is totally healthy.......

Lots of whispers in Everett/Revere about some unsavory "friends" and company that Noel keeps. Maybe Ainge heard those whispers too.

[colincb]

It is shocking how low Noel's value is. He isn't even the ballpark for trading the 3rd pick in the draft when he is totally healthy.......

Going to have to pay him after next season. Everyone's looking at a lot of cap money being thrown at players who haven't earned it. Going to take same number of years for this new financial reality to settle in. Do you want to max Noel next year when you might be competing vs SAC and BKN who can do nothing else but overpay players to come to their teams?

Also rookie scale is based on a hard number and have become even better under the new TV deal.

[Ogaju]

Glad Danny did not give Philly the #3 pick in a draft that already had them drafting at 1.

[Dino Pitino]

It is shocking how low Noel's value is. He isn't even the ballpark for trading the 3rd pick in the draft when he is totally healthy.......

Lots of whispers in Everett/Revere about some unsavory "friends" and company that Noel keeps. Maybe Ainge heard those whispers too.

Not sure what this means. Since you are now officially a contributor to that whisper campaign ("There are whispers" is no less a whisper campaign for being generally worded) could you at least be more specific, in order to be fairer to Noel?

[Moranis]

Did Ainge turn into Michael Jordan without us knowing it?

You think that's a good deal?

Covington is a solid player and the the two picks are worthless unless you can trade them tonight. Have to pay Noel soon too, terrible deal.

I think that would have been a great deal for Boston.  Noel is a superb defensive big man.  Those guys aren't easy to find and can change the entire tenor of a team.  I think he is better than Brown will ever be. 

Covington is a pretty underrated player.  Good size at 6'9" with nice 3 point range.  Pretty solid defender and a very respectable +/- for a terrible team.  I think he actually could have started at the 4 next year for Boston, which with Noel, Crowder, and Bradley would have given Boston + defenders at 4 positions (though admittedly the team would still be relying heavily on Thomas for offense).

24 and 26 don't do a whole lot, especially when you already have 23, but as we've seen teams have been willing to move solid players for picks in that range all night and there are a lot of foreign players in this draft with 1st round talent that won't be coming over next year.  Would have been a great chance to take some flyers on some of those foreign guys (if you couldn't consolidate the picks to move up). 

[Dino Pitino]

Did Ainge turn into Michael Jordan without us knowing it?

You think that's a good deal?

Covington is a solid player and the the two picks are worthless unless you can trade them tonight. Have to pay Noel soon too, terrible deal.

I think that would have been a great deal for Boston.  Noel is a superb defensive big man.  Those guys aren't easy to find and can change the entire tenor of a team.  I think he is better than Brown will ever be. 

Covington is a pretty underrated player.  Good size at 6'9" with nice 3 point range.  Pretty solid defender and a very respectable +/- for a terrible team.  I think he actually could have started at the 4 next year for Boston, which with Noel, Crowder, and Bradley would have given Boston + defenders at 4 positions (though admittedly the team would still be relying heavily on Thomas for offense).

24 and 26 don't do a whole lot, especially when you already have 23, but as we've seen teams have been willing to move solid players for picks in that range all night and there are a lot of foreign players in this draft with 1st round talent that won't be coming over next year.  Would have been a great chance to take some flyers on some of those foreign guys (if you couldn't consolidate the picks to move up).

[Grimly nods.]

TP.

[Fafnir]

Did Ainge turn into Michael Jordan without us knowing it?

You think that's a good deal?

Covington is a solid player and the the two picks are worthless unless you can trade them tonight. Have to pay Noel soon too, terrible deal.

I think that would have been a great deal for Boston.  Noel is a superb defensive big man.  Those guys aren't easy to find and can change the entire tenor of a team.  I think he is better than Brown will ever be. 

Covington is a pretty underrated player.  Good size at 6'9" with nice 3 point range.  Pretty solid defender and a very respectable +/- for a terrible team.  I think he actually could have started at the 4 next year for Boston, which with Noel, Crowder, and Bradley would have given Boston + defenders at 4 positions (though admittedly the team would still be relying heavily on Thomas for offense).

Just sign him as a FA then, unless you're maxing him out.

1 year of Noel isn't that valuable in my mind, the rest is filler.

[crimson_stallion]

Honestly...I'd have preferred that deal over Jaylen Brown.

I actually don't mind Brown but hes a huge risk.  Noel would have given us a young big man who can contribute right now, with a bright future. 

Kinda bummed Danny passed on that for Jaylen Brown but could be worse - could have been Bender or Murray. 

[Moranis]

Did Ainge turn into Michael Jordan without us knowing it?

You think that's a good deal?

Covington is a solid player and the the two picks are worthless unless you can trade them tonight. Have to pay Noel soon too, terrible deal.

I think that would have been a great deal for Boston.  Noel is a superb defensive big man.  Those guys aren't easy to find and can change the entire tenor of a team.  I think he is better than Brown will ever be. 

Covington is a pretty underrated player.  Good size at 6'9" with nice 3 point range.  Pretty solid defender and a very respectable +/- for a terrible team.  I think he actually could have started at the 4 next year for Boston, which with Noel, Crowder, and Bradley would have given Boston + defenders at 4 positions (though admittedly the team would still be relying heavily on Thomas for offense).

Just sign him as a FA then, unless you're maxing him out.

1 year of Noel isn't that valuable in my mind, the rest is filler.

We can't just sign guys who are restricted free agents and what is the point in not acquiring better talent.  Noel and Covington both fill needs on this team and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if Covington has better career than Brown, nonetheless Noel.  It was a great trade, we should have taken it, and I think we will regret not doing it.

Boston has already taken one draft and stash player in this draft, a couple of more (if you couldn't package picks) isn't a bad thing, because those draft and stash players are often crap shoots.  And players are falling (Ellenson went 18th).  Murray and Labissiere are still on the board.  Those are the type of players where an extra 1st let's you move up to get them (if you want). 

[Moranis]

Korkmaz and Davis still on the board as well along with Zizic and Zubaz.  Lots of good talent on the board.  Those 2 extra 1sts might have actually yielded starter level talent.

[Dino Pitino]

With 16 23 24 26 31 33 we could have swiped every legit draft and stash prospect available this year before a single other team had a chance to deliberate on even one.