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Re: The official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets season watch thread
« Reply #195 on: October 25, 2016, 05:59:00 PM »

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The paradox with the Nets is they have no incentive to tank but they have every incentive to trade existing assets.  Brook Lopez is going to be 30 and asking for a max contract before have their own first round pick back and I think they've only got two second round picks through the year 2020.

They need picks and young players with upside and can only get them by trading their veterans.  If you are the Nets, do you tough it out for two more seasons just to deny Boston a better pick or do you take the best deal you can get for Lopez?

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the answer to your question is simple and clear. why punish your own team just to spite another team?

since the draft will not help your team, you ignore it as an option and instead rebuild through trades and free agents.

so they should trade whom you can for what they can to start the rebuild.
How much can you get for Brook Lopez?

I doubt they get a top 10 pick for the guy (or equivalent value in a young player) so I think Lopez as a leader and someone who can keep them resembling an NBA team could be more valuable to them long term than the late Lotto pick he might return.

The Hawks got #12 for a year of Jeff Teague and not taking back any salary.  Lopez at the trade deadline (so 1.5 seasons) is worth at least that.  Especially if the Nets are willing to take back someone who's contract isn't expiring.

Re: The official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets season watch thread
« Reply #196 on: October 25, 2016, 05:59:11 PM »

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There's still a chance that team might play itself out of the bottom 5.

Yup, they have no incentive to lose. The coach will do everything he can to win so that has to mean something. I'm going to be happy with a top ten pick tbh. Hard to complain if that is what ends up happening.

I could the Nets trying to pump the trade value of some their vets including Lopez by the trade deadline, and then try to sell them off for draft picks/younger players.  If that happens it could be a complete nosedive for the the 2nd half of the year.

Re: The official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets season watch thread
« Reply #197 on: October 25, 2016, 06:05:19 PM »

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There's still a chance that team might play itself out of the bottom 5.
i'm worried about this too

They definitely look a little better this year

Plus they won't tank


I'm hoping they trade Lopez while his value is high, but I'm not counting on it

Part of me hopes we trade the picks while the value is high
Just curious...

If removing Lopez from that team would guarantee a bottom 3 record from the Nets, would you move the 2018 Brooklyn pick for Lopez?   

Or are you confident enough in Brooklyn's sucktitude this year regardless of Lopez/don't think Lopez would help us.

Re: The official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets season watch thread
« Reply #198 on: October 25, 2016, 06:36:34 PM »

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This article mentions Celtics, Bucks, Hornets and Blazers as possible destinations for Lopez. 
If the trade deadline is looming and no one else of significance is available, should we try to trade for him without using the Nets picks.  Say for: Amir, Zeller, Celtics 2018 and Memphis 2019? 

http://www.espn.com/blog/nba/rumors/post/_/id/39899/nba-rumor-central-could-the-nets-trade-brook-lopez-this-season

Re: The official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets season watch thread
« Reply #199 on: October 25, 2016, 07:40:12 PM »

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There's still a chance that team might play itself out of the bottom 5.
i'm worried about this too

They definitely look a little better this year

Plus they won't tank


I'm hoping they trade Lopez while his value is high, but I'm not counting on it

Part of me hopes we trade the picks while the value is high
Im worried about finishing 2 or 3, not anything higher than that.  The roster is similarly horrible but they do look like they will try hard, for a while at least.  I wouldn't trade this pick in fear that it won't be a great asset.
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Re: The official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets season watch thread
« Reply #200 on: October 25, 2016, 07:46:07 PM »

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There's still a chance that team might play itself out of the bottom 5.
i'm worried about this too

They definitely look a little better this year

Plus they won't tank


I'm hoping they trade Lopez while his value is high, but I'm not counting on it

Part of me hopes we trade the picks while the value is high
Im worried about finishing 2 or 3, not anything higher than that.  The roster is similarly horrible but they do like they will try hard, for a while at least.  I wouldn't trade this pick in fear that it won't be a great asset.
Lets keep in mind that during our 2014-2015 playoff run we had one of the least talented rosters in the entire NBA.

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Re: The official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets season watch thread
« Reply #201 on: October 25, 2016, 08:04:33 PM »

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There's still a chance that team might play itself out of the bottom 5.
i'm worried about this too

They definitely look a little better this year

Plus they won't tank


I'm hoping they trade Lopez while his value is high, but I'm not counting on it

Part of me hopes we trade the picks while the value is high
Im worried about finishing 2 or 3, not anything higher than that.  The roster is similarly horrible but they do like they will try hard, for a while at least.  I wouldn't trade this pick in fear that it won't be a great asset.
Lets keep in mind that during our 2014-2015 playoff run we had one of the least talented rosters in the entire NBA.
And lets also keep in mind that the nets don't have CBS as their coach. 

The nets had one of the least talented rosters in the NBA for all of last year. It did not seem to help them.
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Re: The official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets season watch thread
« Reply #202 on: October 25, 2016, 08:59:27 PM »

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There's still a chance that team might play itself out of the bottom 5.
i'm worried about this too

They definitely look a little better this year

Plus they won't tank


I'm hoping they trade Lopez while his value is high, but I'm not counting on it

Part of me hopes we trade the picks while the value is high
Im worried about finishing 2 or 3, not anything higher than that.  The roster is similarly horrible but they do like they will try hard, for a while at least.  I wouldn't trade this pick in fear that it won't be a great asset.
Lets keep in mind that during our 2014-2015 playoff run we had one of the least talented rosters in the entire NBA.
And lets also keep in mind that the nets don't have CBS as their coach. 

The nets had one of the least talented rosters in the NBA for all of last year. It did not seem to help them.
no but Kenny Atkinson is well regarded around the league and the mentality of the Nets this time around seems better. It is within the realm of possibility that last year vets like Johnson Jack and Young were frustrated with the ****iness of the team. The 2016-17 nets seem to have bought into the whole play hard every day thing.

Its unlikely but Im not ready to take it to the bank that this is a bottom 3 team.

I think they are the least talented team in the league. Right now I think they are the worst team in the league.
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Re: The official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets season watch thread
« Reply #203 on: October 25, 2016, 09:34:29 PM »

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I haven't done a good job updating this thread, but there quite honestly wasn't much newsworthy.

Their final roster:

PG: Lin/Vasquez/Whitehead
SG: Foye/Kilpatrick/Harris/LeVert
SF: RHJ/Bogdonovic
PF: Booker/McCullough/Scola/Bennett
C: Lopez/Hamilton

I see a roster that is going to be an absolute disaster defensively.  Bottom 3 in the league.  You won't win many games that way.  I won't say they're a lock to be a bottom 3 team overall, but that roster is downright terrible.

And apparently Foye will miss the game tomorrow with a mild hamstring strain.  LeVert is rehabbing.

Re: The official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets season watch thread
« Reply #204 on: October 25, 2016, 09:43:28 PM »

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this is the Brooklyn nets this year.

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Re: The official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets season watch thread
« Reply #205 on: October 25, 2016, 09:44:41 PM »

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I think Jonathan Isaac winds up being a top 5 pick. This felt like an appropriate place for this (bold?) prediction.
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Re: The official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets season watch thread
« Reply #206 on: October 25, 2016, 09:47:00 PM »

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Brooklyn are starting one player that didn't come off the bench last season. I guess two if you count Hollis-Jefferson before he got hurt.

I expect them to trade Lopez at some point.

Re: The official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets season watch thread
« Reply #207 on: October 25, 2016, 11:35:09 PM »

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LOL at the Nets letting Jonathan Simmons through their fingers
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Re: The official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets season watch thread
« Reply #208 on: October 25, 2016, 11:39:42 PM »

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LOL at the Nets letting Jonathan Simmons through their fingers

Ironically, Sean Marks was the guy in San Antonio who found him.

Re: The official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets season watch thread
« Reply #209 on: October 26, 2016, 10:27:38 AM »

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Lopez is going to be traded. It would be nonsensical for them to keep him when there is no way they max him after next season (unless they wish to continue as one of the most poorly run teams in sport). No reason for the Celtics to massively overpay, it's a move Brooklyn has to make, and the next best offer would be something like a late first or two from a team whose picks are guaranteed to be in the 20s.

Still not sure why we'd be interested in the player anyway. Doesn't improve our rebounding or provide even close to the dominant paint presence we're looking for. Meanwhile he's going to preside over another 20-something win season. Hard pass.
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