TRADE IDEA: BOS - PHI - CLE

[wdleehi]

The team could deal with one of them down low next to a defensive big man.



But as a pair, I think it is a bad idea.


Now replace Okafor with Noel, it makes more sense on the court.

Let's not forget, Okafor has had one season.  Love is who he is, a poor defender, but Okafor is still just 20.

I am not saying Okafor cannot improve his defense, but at this point, getting him to average would be great.


Still have to play next season to win. 

[merkins]

Cavs aren't trading Love for Avery Bradley, a throw in and picks .  They just beat the Warriors with that core and are not going to break it up.

That "core" that you speak of involved a Kevin Love that will cost $21.5M dollar next year who just put up a stat line of 8.5 pts, 6.8 rebs, 1.3 asts, 1.5 TOs, 26% 3PFG%, and 36% FG% in the Finals this year. Yeah, they're definitely not breaking that up for a player that makes 1/3 of Love's salary that perfectly fits their system and what they want to do, along with other assets that they want. 

Your logic here is irrelevant.  You are talking about the Cavs here.  Lebron and Gilbert just delivered the City a championship over the best regular season time of all time.  Love was part of that.  They will not break up the core unless LeBron opts out, in which case getting Love will become even more of an impossibility. No chance.

[jpotter33]

Cavs aren't trading Love for Avery Bradley, a throw in and picks .  They just beat the Warriors with that core and are not going to break it up.

That "core" that you speak of involved a Kevin Love that will cost $21.5M dollar next year who just put up a stat line of 8.5 pts, 6.8 rebs, 1.3 asts, 1.5 TOs, 26% 3PFG%, and 36% FG% in the Finals this year. Yeah, they're definitely not breaking that up for a player that makes 1/3 of Love's salary that perfectly fits their system and what they want to do, along with other assets that they want. 

Your logic here is irrelevant.  You are talking about the Cavs here.  Lebron and Gilbert just delivered the City a championship over the best regular season time of all time.  Love was part of that.  They will not break up the core unless LeBron opts out, in which case getting Love will become even more of an impossibility. No chance.

I'm sure the same was said about Chandler in the summer of 2011, too, and he was actually beneficial to the Mavs..

[slamtheking]

Yeah, Love and Okafor would probably make us the worst defensive team in the league. That being said, there is a very workable deal with us, Philly, and Cleveland, though Windhorst is crazy if he's thinking that they're getting Bradley AND Smart. Bradley is worth just as much as Love in their system, because he's the absolute perfect fit next to someone like Kyrie. He's also a known ball-stopper, and he'd be a perfect replacement for JR in the starting lineup once he commands much more money this summer. Here's the deal:

Boston: Love, Noel

Cleveland: Amir, Bradley, 16, 22 (from Philly)

Philly: Young, #3

That's a fair deal all around that would be an excellent recruiting tool for Kevin Durant. You could also take out 16 and add KO if that's what they would rather want.

that's not a bad deal although I think based on Love's current value, Cleveland is getting a little much.  Swap the 16 for the 23 pick and that would be better.  AB would be much more valuable to them -- it's like we're doing Cleveland a favor by taking Love off their hands.  Amir would be a much more serviceable big man for that team. 

[zubi.anaba]

Yeah, Love and Okafor would probably make us the worst defensive team in the league. That being said, there is a very workable deal with us, Philly, and Cleveland, though Windhorst is crazy if he's thinking that they're getting Bradley AND Smart. Bradley is worth just as much as Love in their system, because he's the absolute perfect fit next to someone like Kyrie. He's also a known ball-stopper, and he'd be a perfect replacement for JR in the starting lineup once he commands much more money this summer. Here's the deal:

Boston: Love, Noel

Cleveland: Amir, Bradley, 16, 22 (from Philly)

Philly: Young, #3

That's a fair deal all around that would be an excellent recruiting tool for Kevin Durant. You could also take out 16 and add KO if that's what they would rather want.

that's not a bad deal although I think based on Love's current value, Cleveland is getting a little much.  Swap the 16 for the 23 pick and that would be better.  AB would be much more valuable to them -- it's like we're doing Cleveland a favor by taking Love off their hands.  Amir would be a much more serviceable big man for that team.

I really dont get why ppl keep suggesting Cavs want bradley. Given their current team make up it makes no sense. Bradley can only play the 2. They already have jr and Shump. Now Bradley is a better defender than Jr but Jr is a better shooter. It is debatable whether bradley is a better player for the Cavs than Jr but it is also moot because like I said they already got Jr and Shump at the 2.

Jr did opt out but is undoubtedly going back there just like last season. Amir Johnson is old and injury prone hence serves no purpose to them. Mid round picks are also worthless given they are trying to win now.

If Cavs move Klove, it is going to be for a package of a legit 3/D SF (not Crowder because he cant shoot) and a small ball 4 . Non of the Cs players fit the bill. Unless Cs can involve a 3rd team to give Cavs what they want, Klove to Cs just aint happening

Besides with Cavs having just won a title with this team, they have bought themselves time in terms of the Klove situation. They have no reason to panic and trade Klove while his value is a  low. If they bring back their full team (healthy Mosgov included), they would still be odds on favorites to reach the finals and can compete with any Western team. Why would they panic and break up their team now???

[slamtheking]

Yeah, Love and Okafor would probably make us the worst defensive team in the league. That being said, there is a very workable deal with us, Philly, and Cleveland, though Windhorst is crazy if he's thinking that they're getting Bradley AND Smart. Bradley is worth just as much as Love in their system, because he's the absolute perfect fit next to someone like Kyrie. He's also a known ball-stopper, and he'd be a perfect replacement for JR in the starting lineup once he commands much more money this summer. Here's the deal:

Boston: Love, Noel

Cleveland: Amir, Bradley, 16, 22 (from Philly)

Philly: Young, #3

That's a fair deal all around that would be an excellent recruiting tool for Kevin Durant. You could also take out 16 and add KO if that's what they would rather want.

that's not a bad deal although I think based on Love's current value, Cleveland is getting a little much.  Swap the 16 for the 23 pick and that would be better.  AB would be much more valuable to them -- it's like we're doing Cleveland a favor by taking Love off their hands.  Amir would be a much more serviceable big man for that team.

I really dont get why ppl keep suggesting Cavs want bradley. Given their current team make up it makes no sense. Bradley can only play the 2. They already have jr and Shump. Now Bradley is a better defender than Jr but Jr is a better shooter. It is debatable whether bradley is a better player for the Cavs than Jr but it is also moot because like I said they already got Jr and Shump at the 2.

Jr did opt out but is undoubtedly going back there just like last season. Amir Johnson is old and injury prone hence serves no purpose to them. Mid round picks are also worthless given they are trying to win now.

If Cavs move Klove, it is going to be for a package of a legit 3/D SF (not Crowder because he cant shoot) and a small ball 4 . Non of the Cs players fit the bill. Unless Cs can involve a 3rd team to give Cavs what they want, Klove to Cs just aint happening

Besides with Cavs having just won a title with this team, they have bought themselves time in terms of the Klove situation. They have no reason to panic and trade Klove while his value is a  low. If they bring back their full team (healthy Mosgov included), they would still be odds on favorites to reach the finals and can compete with any Western team. Why would they panic and break up their team now???

don't look at it as a break-up.  look at it as improving on what they already have.

Love has not fit in there in 2 years.  they should be looking to move on -- especially with money to spend on FAs and Love is pretty expensive for what he's produced.

JR is opting out but if you're Cleveland, why not take advantage to get someone who's a capable shooter, far better defender and much cheaper for a couple more years than a JR Smith whose production has been inconsistent at best this year.

Amir has some health concerns but he played most of this year and showed he was very capable of contributing for a good team.  I have little doubt Cleveland would like to add him to their bench. 

Love's value isn't high enough to justify Cleveland getting more in a trade.

[zubi.anaba]

Yeah, Love and Okafor would probably make us the worst defensive team in the league. That being said, there is a very workable deal with us, Philly, and Cleveland, though Windhorst is crazy if he's thinking that they're getting Bradley AND Smart. Bradley is worth just as much as Love in their system, because he's the absolute perfect fit next to someone like Kyrie. He's also a known ball-stopper, and he'd be a perfect replacement for JR in the starting lineup once he commands much more money this summer. Here's the deal:

Boston: Love, Noel

Cleveland: Amir, Bradley, 16, 22 (from Philly)

Philly: Young, #3

That's a fair deal all around that would be an excellent recruiting tool for Kevin Durant. You could also take out 16 and add KO if that's what they would rather want.

that's not a bad deal although I think based on Love's current value, Cleveland is getting a little much.  Swap the 16 for the 23 pick and that would be better.  AB would be much more valuable to them -- it's like we're doing Cleveland a favor by taking Love off their hands.  Amir would be a much more serviceable big man for that team.

I really dont get why ppl keep suggesting Cavs want bradley. Given their current team make up it makes no sense. Bradley can only play the 2. They already have jr and Shump. Now Bradley is a better defender than Jr but Jr is a better shooter. It is debatable whether bradley is a better player for the Cavs than Jr but it is also moot because like I said they already got Jr and Shump at the 2.

Jr did opt out but is undoubtedly going back there just like last season. Amir Johnson is old and injury prone hence serves no purpose to them. Mid round picks are also worthless given they are trying to win now.

If Cavs move Klove, it is going to be for a package of a legit 3/D SF (not Crowder because he cant shoot) and a small ball 4 . Non of the Cs players fit the bill. Unless Cs can involve a 3rd team to give Cavs what they want, Klove to Cs just aint happening

Besides with Cavs having just won a title with this team, they have bought themselves time in terms of the Klove situation. They have no reason to panic and trade Klove while his value is a  low. If they bring back their full team (healthy Mosgov included), they would still be odds on favorites to reach the finals and can compete with any Western team. Why would they panic and break up their team now???

don't look at it as a break-up.  look at it as improving on what they already have.

Love has not fit in there in 2 years.  they should be looking to move on -- especially with money to spend on FAs and Love is pretty expensive for what he's produced.

JR is opting out but if you're Cleveland, why not take advantage to get someone who's a capable shooter, far better defender and much cheaper for a couple more years than a JR Smith whose production has been inconsistent at best this year.

Amir has some health concerns but he played most of this year and showed he was very capable of contributing for a good team.  I have little doubt Cleveland would like to add him to their bench. 

Love's value isn't high enough to justify Cleveland getting more in a trade.

Hence the reason why they wont trade him now. Plus they did just win a title with him. that buys them another 1 season or 2 before they really need to consider trading him if he is not integrating properly. May I also remind you that Klove was great in the PO early rounds. dubs are pretty much the only team that is a bad matchup for him. Thats not enough for him to be getting shipped out because against bigger teams (SPurs OKC) Cavs would need his rebounding

SO say the trade goes through and Cavs let Jr walk while bringing everyone else back, they would have sightly upgraded the 2 spot but MASSIVELY downgrade at the 4. Their only legit stretch 4 would now be Frye who is at best a bench player (not suited for 30+ minutes a game). Lebron wants to coast during the RS to keep himself fresh and ready for the playoffs given the mileage he has on him. Having to play the 4 during the RS wont allow him to do that. Only when matchups dictate he should play the 4 in the PO. Cavs would also still have a hole at back 3 with Jefferson retiring now aswell.

So in summary they slightly upgrade the 2 spot only to massively downgrade the 4 spot. Nice deal for Cs I guess but makes zero sense for the Cavs

By the way all you said were empty platitudes about Amir Johnson. With Klove, Frye, TT and Mosgov (healthy next season) Amir Johnson serves no purpose. Hell even if you took Klove out of the equation, Johnson brings nothing that Cavs dont already have. They have zero need for him