Rumor: Timberwolves to offer pick number 5 and players for Butler

[trickybilly]

If Butler's value is so high, why is he available?

Chicago are in full blown re-build. A guy that I would love to nab is actually Doug. He might, along with everyone's Bobby Binkie, be unavailable..

[RJ87]

No way Minnesota does this. Maybe this is what Chicago wants but if Minny was offering this it'd be a done deal.

Maybe Lavine + #5 for Butler?

[BDeCosta26]

We can't match that deal as I see it.  LaVine and Deing +5 is better than 3 with AB.

Eh , LaVine and Dieng are both lesser players than Bradley, and I think Bradley is around the same age as Dieng, though it doesn't seem like it.

The thing about the position were in is that, if we feel the justification is there, we can easily beat a deal like that by overpaying a little.

Even if we assume #5, Dieng and LaVine is better than #3 and AB, is it better than #3, AB, Terry Rozier, and the 2018 Brooklyn pick? I seriously doubt it. Is it better than #3, #16 and Smart? I doubt that too. For example, of Butler means a chance at Durant, you take it. If you can use some of your assets to put together a package for Butler and Love you might have to take that too.

[Tr1boy]

No chance it's Wiggins....

More likely its lavine plus 5.  But also pekovic or anybody else not named towns , wiggins

[Geo123]

I doubt they give up wiggins, maybe something like Rubio and #5.

Rubio has negative value so that won't happen.

[Geo123]

No chance it's Wiggins....

More likely its lavine plus 5.  But also pekovic or anybody else not named towns , wiggins

Once again Pekovic has negative value.  It would need to be Levine and Dieng plus the #5

[Bucketgetter]

I doubt they give up wiggins, maybe something like Rubio and #5.

Rubio has negative value so that won't happen.

This is so wrong.

[Geo123]

I doubt they give up wiggins, maybe something like Rubio and #5.

Rubio has negative value so that won't happen.

This is so wrong.

No it's not.  Read what Woj Kyler, Stein and the other experts  say.  He's got a big contract and still hasn't learned how to hit a jumper.  Nobody wants him as a starter.  The Twolves tried to trade him at the deadline and found no takers.  Read the articles.

[PickNRoll]

No chance it's Wiggins....

More likely its lavine plus 5.  But also pekovic or anybody else not named towns , wiggins

Once again Pekovic has negative value.  It would need to be Levine and Dieng plus the #5

Lavine, Dieng and 5 is a HOME RUN for the Wolves.  The only way CHI can even consider this trade is if Wiggins is included, or alternately 2-3 first round picks.  If I'm MN, I'd do Wiggins, filler and 5 for Butler, no questions asked.  Butler's contract of 16, 17, 18M over the next 3 years is such a sweet deal.

[Tr1boy]

No chance it's Wiggins....

More likely its lavine plus 5.  But also pekovic or anybody else not named towns , wiggins

Once again Pekovic has negative value.  It would need to be Levine and Dieng plus the #5

You cant. Salaries dont match

[PickNRoll]

I doubt they give up wiggins, maybe something like Rubio and #5.

Rubio has negative value so that won't happen.

This is so wrong.

No it's not.  Read what Woj Kyler, Stein and the other experts  say.  He's got a big contract and still hasn't learned how to hit a jumper.  Nobody wants him as a starter.  The Twolves tried to trade him at the deadline and found no takers.  Read the articles.

Correct.  Rubio at 15M IS a net negative for a lot of teams.  You just can't play him alongside so many guys in the league, namely non-shooters.  Rubio's contract is partially a business play.  He was the face of the Wolves for a couple years and he's marketable.  He's a better Jeremy Lin in a way.  Sells tickets and jerseys, but is a coaching nightmare.

[Bucketgetter]

I doubt they give up wiggins, maybe something like Rubio and #5.

Rubio has negative value so that won't happen.

This is so wrong.

No it's not.  Read what Woj Kyler, Stein and the other experts  say.  He's got a big contract and still hasn't learned how to hit a jumper.  Nobody wants him as a starter.  The Twolves tried to trade him at the deadline and found no takers.  Read the articles.

Read the articles? You mean the ones about how the Bucks actually initiated trade talks about Rubio and Woj reported that Kidd had "piqued interest" in Rubio? Those ones? No, that's what I thought. You read the articles about one of the best distributing, defending, and rebounding point guards in the league.

[saltlover]

No chance it's Wiggins....

More likely its lavine plus 5.  But also pekovic or anybody else not named towns , wiggins

Once again Pekovic has negative value.  It would need to be Levine and Dieng plus the #5

Lavine, Dieng and 5 is a HOME RUN for the Wolves.  The only way CHI can even consider this trade is if Wiggins is included, or alternately 2-3 first round picks.  If I'm MN, I'd do Wiggins, filler and 5 for Butler, no questions asked.  Butler's contract of 16, 17, 18M over the next 3 years is such a sweet deal.

Just because I like accuracy, Butler's contract is $18.4-$20.7 mil over the next three years if he's traded.  Still a nice deal, but a bit more than you suggest.

[PickNRoll]

I doubt they give up wiggins, maybe something like Rubio and #5.

Rubio has negative value so that won't happen.

This is so wrong.

No it's not.  Read what Woj Kyler, Stein and the other experts  say.  He's got a big contract and still hasn't learned how to hit a jumper.  Nobody wants him as a starter.  The Twolves tried to trade him at the deadline and found no takers.  Read the articles.

Read the articles? You mean the ones about how the Bucks actually initiated trade talks about Rubio and Woj reported that Kidd had "piqued interest" in Rubio? Those ones? No, that's what I thought. You read the articles about one of the best distributing, defending, and rebounding point guards in the league.

Kidd prob likes him because Kidd and Rondo are the only such point guards to win anything in the last 30 years.  PG's who can't shoot are a death sentence.

[GetLucky]

I doubt they give up wiggins, maybe something like Rubio and #5.

Rubio has negative value so that won't happen.

This is so wrong.

No it's not.  Read what Woj Kyler, Stein and the other experts  say.  He's got a big contract and still hasn't learned how to hit a jumper.  Nobody wants him as a starter.  The Twolves tried to trade him at the deadline and found no takers.  Read the articles.

Correct.  Rubio at 15M IS a net negative for a lot of teams.  You just can't play him alongside so many guys in the league, namely non-shooters.  Rubio's contract is partially a business play.  He was the face of the Wolves for a couple years and he's marketable.  He's a better Jeremy Lin in a way.  Sells tickets and jerseys, but is a coaching nightmare.

Not true at all. Rubio makes the Timberwolves noticeably better. They have played ~.500 ball over the past two years when he plays, and they have been generally abyssal when he doesn't. He's a fantastic defender who has evolved from being a gambler to being a great positional and opportunistic defender. His vision is off the charts, and his three-point jumper has really improved. Rubio's problem is finishing around the basket. He's basically prime Rondo minus the 55%+ inside 3 feet and the freakish ability to absolutely go off.

15mill for Rubio with the rising cap is a bargain.