Would Philly take an alternative deal for Okafor?

[coffee425]

The 3rd pick for Okafor sounds like a great deal and i would take it immediately.

But I definitely would not start the conversation with this deal. I understand that Boston had already offered the 3rd pick for Okafor during the trade deadline, but i really do think that his value has decreased since then.
Reason being, the front court of Philly will be even more crowded after this draft in a league that is evolving towards smaller lineups. Secondly beyond fit, i think Okafor's flaws have been highlighted, also decreasing his value.

I would start the convo with Philly with this offer:
This year's 2016 pick, next year 2017's Brooklyn pick, and Rozier.
I've heard how much they've love Kris Dunn, essentially a guy that's the same age as Rozier with similar skillsets. Maybe he's not as good as Kris, but having a 2017 Brooklyn Pick sure sweetens the pot.

For Boston, I can't think of a better frontcourt future than with Okafor and Bender.
Okafor, the post-up paint clogger that gets you easy buckets.
Bender, potentially a 3 and D shotblocker.

Considering you have two 7-footers, could you ask for better floor balance on both ends of the court?

[alldaboston]

Next year's draft is supposed to be incredibly stacked. I'd prefer to keep that pick

[Eddie20]

The 3rd pick for Okafor sounds like a great deal and i would take it immediately.

But I definitely would not start the conversation with this deal. I understand that Boston had already offered the 3rd pick for Okafor during the trade deadline, but i really do think that his value has decreased since then.
Reason being, the front court of Philly will be even more crowded after this draft in a league that is evolving towards smaller lineups. Secondly beyond fit, i think Okafor's flaws have been highlighted, also decreasing his value.

I would start the convo with Philly with this offer:
This year's 2016 pick, next year 2017's Brooklyn pick, and Rozier.
I've heard how much they've love Kris Dunn, essentially a guy that's the same age as Rozier with similar skillsets. Maybe he's not as good as Kris, but having a 2017 Brooklyn Pick sure sweetens the pot.

For Boston, I can't think of a better frontcourt future than with Okafor and Bender.
Okafor, the post-up paint clogger that gets you easy buckets.
Bender, potentially a 3 and D shotblocker.

Considering you have two 7-footers, could you ask for better floor balance on both ends of the court?

Absolutely not. Brooklyn could potentially be the worse team in the league, assuming the Lakers and Sixers improve, which is conceivable. Plus, the 17 draft class is absolutely loaded. One of the best classes in years.

[coffee425]

Next year's draft is supposed to be incredibly stacked. I'd prefer to keep that pick

I won't lie to you guys, i've been hearing that for every draft since 2012 about the 2014 draft 
We always hype it up 2 years in advance without any basis other than youtube highlights.

If you guys are agreeing that Boston is overpaying by a pick, then i think it's a good proposal.

[Eddie20]

Next year's draft is supposed to be incredibly stacked. I'd prefer to keep that pick

I won't lie to you guys, i've been hearing that for every draft since 2012 about the 2014 draft 
We always hype it up 2 years in advance without any basis other than youtube highlights.

If you guys are agreeing that Boston is overpaying by a pick, then i think it's a good proposal.

Not really. This draft was always rumored to be weak, as was the Olynyk draft. There are certain drafts that are highly regarded and it's because of the amount of scouting/evaluation that's done throughout high school, AAU, tournaments, camps, etc. They've been talking about the 17 and 18 draft (mainly for Ayon) for a while now.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

[coffee425]

Next year's draft is supposed to be incredibly stacked. I'd prefer to keep that pick

I won't lie to you guys, i've been hearing that for every draft since 2012 about the 2014 draft 
We always hype it up 2 years in advance without any basis other than youtube highlights.

If you guys are agreeing that Boston is overpaying by a pick, then i think it's a good proposal.

Not really. This draft was always rumored to be weak, as was the Olynyk draft. There are certain drafts that are highly regarded and it's because of the amount of scouting/evaluation that's done throughout high school, AAU, tournaments, camps, etc. They've been talking about the 17 and 18 draft (mainly for Ayon) for a while now.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

But it's the "grass is greener" logic. The investment of mystery, unproven players that dominate AAU ball somehow trumps the fact that each 2017 player will still be 3 years away from superstardom.

[Donoghus]

Next year's draft is supposed to be incredibly stacked. I'd prefer to keep that pick

I won't lie to you guys, i've been hearing that for every draft since 2012 about the 2014 draft 
We always hype it up 2 years in advance without any basis other than youtube highlights.

If you guys are agreeing that Boston is overpaying by a pick, then i think it's a good proposal.

Not really. This draft was always rumored to be weak, as was the Olynyk draft. There are certain drafts that are highly regarded and it's because of the amount of scouting/evaluation that's done throughout high school, AAU, tournaments, camps, etc. They've been talking about the 17 and 18 draft (mainly for Ayon) for a while now.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

But it's the "grass is greener" logic. The investment of mystery, unproven players that dominate AAU ball somehow trumps the fact that each 2017 player will still be 3 years away from superstardom.

But if you hit on that '17 (which could very well be top 5), your window just extends.   You can still supplement today's roster to win via FA & trade.  While also extending the future via draft.   

The Celtics are in the very enviable position now (due to cap space & the BKN trade) to do both.

[Eddie20]

Next year's draft is supposed to be incredibly stacked. I'd prefer to keep that pick

I won't lie to you guys, i've been hearing that for every draft since 2012 about the 2014 draft 
We always hype it up 2 years in advance without any basis other than youtube highlights.

If you guys are agreeing that Boston is overpaying by a pick, then i think it's a good proposal.

Not really. This draft was always rumored to be weak, as was the Olynyk draft. There are certain drafts that are highly regarded and it's because of the amount of scouting/evaluation that's done throughout high school, AAU, tournaments, camps, etc. They've been talking about the 17 and 18 draft (mainly for Ayon) for a while now.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

But it's the "grass is greener" logic. The investment of mystery, unproven players that dominate AAU ball somehow trumps the fact that each 2017 player will still be 3 years away from superstardom.

Assuming teams do indeed adhere to that philosophy, then by that token a 2017 draft pick in that loaded class will have more trade value than an Okafor that will be entering his 3rd year in the league, and minus 2 years of control.

[coffee425]

Next year's draft is supposed to be incredibly stacked. I'd prefer to keep that pick

I won't lie to you guys, i've been hearing that for every draft since 2012 about the 2014 draft 
We always hype it up 2 years in advance without any basis other than youtube highlights.

If you guys are agreeing that Boston is overpaying by a pick, then i think it's a good proposal.

Not really. This draft was always rumored to be weak, as was the Olynyk draft. There are certain drafts that are highly regarded and it's because of the amount of scouting/evaluation that's done throughout high school, AAU, tournaments, camps, etc. They've been talking about the 17 and 18 draft (mainly for Ayon) for a while now.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

But it's the "grass is greener" logic. The investment of mystery, unproven players that dominate AAU ball somehow trumps the fact that each 2017 player will still be 3 years away from superstardom.

But if you hit on that '17 (which could very well be top 5), your window just extends.   You can still supplement today's roster to win via FA & trade.  While also extending the future via draft.   

The Celtics are in the very enviable position now (due to cap space & the BKN trade) to do both.

Do we really have to extend our window even further if you have a 20yearOld Center and an 18yearOld Power Forward?

Hell, our head coach's contract only has 3 years left. The 2017 draft pick would maybe just enter his prime?

[coffee425]

But it's the "grass is greener" logic. The investment of mystery, unproven players that dominate AAU ball somehow trumps the fact that each 2017 player will still be 3 years away from superstardom.

Assuming teams do indeed adhere to that philosophy, then by that token a 2017 draft pick in that loaded class will have more trade value than an Okafor that will be entering his 3rd year in the league, and minus 2 years of control.

This might be a topic for another thread, but who's to say that Okafor's 3rd year isn't an allstar at least?

[Donoghus]

Next year's draft is supposed to be incredibly stacked. I'd prefer to keep that pick

I won't lie to you guys, i've been hearing that for every draft since 2012 about the 2014 draft 
We always hype it up 2 years in advance without any basis other than youtube highlights.

If you guys are agreeing that Boston is overpaying by a pick, then i think it's a good proposal.

Not really. This draft was always rumored to be weak, as was the Olynyk draft. There are certain drafts that are highly regarded and it's because of the amount of scouting/evaluation that's done throughout high school, AAU, tournaments, camps, etc. They've been talking about the 17 and 18 draft (mainly for Ayon) for a while now.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

But it's the "grass is greener" logic. The investment of mystery, unproven players that dominate AAU ball somehow trumps the fact that each 2017 player will still be 3 years away from superstardom.

But if you hit on that '17 (which could very well be top 5), your window just extends.   You can still supplement today's roster to win via FA & trade.  While also extending the future via draft.   

The Celtics are in the very enviable position now (due to cap space & the BKN trade) to do both.

Do we really have to extend our window even further if you have a 20yearOld Center and an 18yearOld Power Forward?

Hell, our head coach's contract only has 3 years left. The 2017 draft pick would maybe just enter his prime?

It's not an either/or question.  Contending now & extending the window can happen at the same time given the dynamic this team is facing right now.  The question is playing it right and hitting on all three levels;  trades, free agency, & draft.   

[Eddie20]

But it's the "grass is greener" logic. The investment of mystery, unproven players that dominate AAU ball somehow trumps the fact that each 2017 player will still be 3 years away from superstardom.

Assuming teams do indeed adhere to that philosophy, then by that token a 2017 draft pick in that loaded class will have more trade value than an Okafor that will be entering his 3rd year in the league, and minus 2 years of control.

This might be a topic for another thread, but who's to say that Okafor's 3rd year isn't an allstar at least?

Considering what I saw his last season he would need to improve exponentially in order to be an all-star next season. Remember the scenario I described above is a top 5 pick in 2017 vs an Okafor who is entering his 3rd season in terms of trade value.

[coffee425]

But it's the "grass is greener" logic. The investment of mystery, unproven players that dominate AAU ball somehow trumps the fact that each 2017 player will still be 3 years away from superstardom.

Assuming teams do indeed adhere to that philosophy, then by that token a 2017 draft pick in that loaded class will have more trade value than an Okafor that will be entering his 3rd year in the league, and minus 2 years of control.

This might be a topic for another thread, but who's to say that Okafor's 3rd year isn't an allstar at least?

Considering what I saw his last season he would need to improve exponentially in order to be an all-star next season. Remember the scenario I described above is a top 5 in 2017 vs an Okafor who is entering his 3rd season.

Just to get our math sorted out, the 2017 pick's first season would be the same as Okafor's 3rd season. I don't see why he couldnt be an allstar based on numbers alone. Consider that the the last 3 Eastern Allstar centers have been Pau (2x), Horford (2x), and Bosh. All over 30.

I think if you pick the 2017 player and say that he needs to be an allstar before age 22, you would be more than happy with it. This is Okafor's trajectory.

[kozlodoev]

The 3rd pick for Okafor sounds like a great deal and i would take it immediately.

But I definitely would not start the conversation with this deal. I understand that Boston had already offered the 3rd pick for Okafor during the trade deadline, but i really do think that his value has decreased since then.
Reason being, the front court of Philly will be even more crowded after this draft in a league that is evolving towards smaller lineups. Secondly beyond fit, i think Okafor's flaws have been highlighted, also decreasing his value.

I would start the convo with Philly with this offer:
This year's 2016 pick, next year 2017's Brooklyn pick, and Rozier.
I've heard how much they've love Kris Dunn, essentially a guy that's the same age as Rozier with similar skillsets. Maybe he's not as good as Kris, but having a 2017 Brooklyn Pick sure sweetens the pot.

For Boston, I can't think of a better frontcourt future than with Okafor and Bender.
Okafor, the post-up paint clogger that gets you easy buckets.
Bender, potentially a 3 and D shotblocker.

Considering you have two 7-footers, could you ask for better floor balance on both ends of the court?

1. Boston didn't have the 3rd pick to offer at the deadline.

2. Yeah, Rozier has a similar skillset to Dunn. And Bruno Sundov has a similar skillset to Dirk.

3. I don't know what "this year's 2016 pick" is, but I'm pretty sure we're not getting a promising young player for a pile of spare parts.

[dreamgreen]

My offer would be Smart the 16th and the 23rd pick, I would be willing to give up a future pick also but not a Brooklyn pick.