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Re: Bradley All-D 1st Team
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2016, 03:42:20 PM »

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Apparently the voters didn't see him trying to cover OJ Mayo.

Re: Bradley All-D 1st Team
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2016, 03:47:41 PM »

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Congrats to AB. Well deserved.

Re: Bradley All-D 1st Team
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2016, 03:48:43 PM »

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awesome.  That should do wonders for his trade value.

I'm so glad you are here to say these things before I do.

Re: Bradley All-D 1st Team
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2016, 03:49:48 PM »

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I actually like to look at the voting for all the awards and check the how the guys I know vote and also to see who gives some random player a vote who didn't deserve to be their (and it's usually always somebody from said player's local media).

http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/05/2015-16-NBA-All-Defensive-Teams.pdf

Tommy's usually always a homer.  If there's a C in the discussion, he's getting Tommy's vote.  Here he voted for Bradley (1st), Smart (2nd), and Crowder (2nd).  COY for instance Tommy voted Brad 1st, etc.

A couple of Bostians let us down though by not being blatant homers!  Cedric Maxwell didn't vote for Crowder, neither did Gary Washburn.

From what I can tell there's usually 2-3 Boston guys voting with it actually getting rotated around.  Scal and Mike Gorman have voted for other awards this year, and Gorman especially usually shows some homerism, Scal a little bit too.  I bet if one of them had voted for this award instead of Max or Washburn, Crowder may have made the team.  Instead we wasted Scal and Gorman by having them vote for things like ROY and All-Rookie where the C's didn't have any horses in the race!

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Re: Bradley All-D 1st Team
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2016, 03:50:42 PM »

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Well deserved. Congratulations, Avery!
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Re: Bradley All-D 1st Team
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2016, 03:54:03 PM »

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awesome.  That should do wonders for his trade value.
is it bad that this was the first thing that went through my mind too?

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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2016, 03:57:27 PM »

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I actually like to look at the voting for all the awards and check the how the guys I know vote and also to see who gives some random player a vote who didn't deserve to be their (and it's usually always somebody from said player's local media).

http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/05/2015-16-NBA-All-Defensive-Teams.pdf

Tommy's usually always a homer.  If there's a C in the discussion, he's getting Tommy's vote.  Here he voted for Bradley (1st), Smart (2nd), and Crowder (2nd).  COY for instance Tommy voted Brad 1st, etc.

A couple of Bostians let us down though by not being blatant homers!  Cedric Maxwell didn't vote for Crowder, neither did Gary Washburn.

From what I can tell there's usually 2-3 Boston guys voting with it actually getting rotated around.  Scal and Mike Gorman have voted for other awards this year, and Gorman especially usually shows some homerism, Scal a little bit too.  I bet if one of them had voted for this award instead of Max or Washburn, Crowder may have made the team.  Instead we wasted Scal and Gorman by having them vote for things like ROY and All-Rookie where the C's didn't have any horses in the race!
Are those Tommys selections? Rofl love that guy
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Re: Bradley All-D 1st Team
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2016, 04:00:02 PM »

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awesome.  That should do wonders for his trade value.

I'm so glad you are here to say these things before I do.
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Re: Bradley All-D 1st Team
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2016, 04:07:32 PM »

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An 1st Team All NBA player that is fairly efficient on offense at 15 points a game....   Nice gamble on Danny Ainges part and hard work by Avery!   I'll keep him on the squad...... 

Sign Noah or Howard and roll with our squad.....

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Re: Bradley All-D 1st Team
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2016, 04:12:43 PM »

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I actually like to look at the voting for all the awards and check the how the guys I know vote and also to see who gives some random player a vote who didn't deserve to be their (and it's usually always somebody from said player's local media).

http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/05/2015-16-NBA-All-Defensive-Teams.pdf

Tommy's usually always a homer.  If there's a C in the discussion, he's getting Tommy's vote.  Here he voted for Bradley (1st), Smart (2nd), and Crowder (2nd).  COY for instance Tommy voted Brad 1st, etc.

A couple of Bostians let us down though by not being blatant homers!  Cedric Maxwell didn't vote for Crowder, neither did Gary Washburn.

From what I can tell there's usually 2-3 Boston guys voting with it actually getting rotated around.  Scal and Mike Gorman have voted for other awards this year, and Gorman especially usually shows some homerism, Scal a little bit too.  I bet if one of them had voted for this award instead of Max or Washburn, Crowder may have made the team.  Instead we wasted Scal and Gorman by having them vote for things like ROY and All-Rookie where the C's didn't have any horses in the race!

To add to my previous post, here's some more interesting notes on the Crowder/George race.

All three of Crowder's 1st place votes had him labeled as a guard.  This helped Crowder.

For George's five 1st place votes, two had him labeled as a guard, the other 3 had him as a forward but listed Draymond Green as a Center (which in all likelihood allowed George to get the 1st team vote when otherwise it would have been a 2nd team vote).  This hurt Crowder.

If anyone of those had gone differently, or the NBA didn't let the voters decide the players position, Crowder would have made 2nd team.

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Re: Bradley All-D 1st Team
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2016, 04:13:18 PM »

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Congratulations to Avery. Well deserved. It's a [dang] shame Jae couldn't have snuck into the second team, especially seeing him getting so close.

Still, great for Avery and this gives Jae and Marcus something to shoot for next year.
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Re: Bradley All-D 1st Team
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2016, 04:37:05 PM »

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awesome.  That should do wonders for his trade value.

The teams that should want him are playoff teams in need of a starting SG.  Those teams tend to lack assets.  He's not someone that a rebuilding team should desire.  Trading Bradley probably makes the most sense if a team would rather retool rather than rebuild and wants to get rid of an over-30 star in the hopes of getting younger and building their team around younger players already on their roster.
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Re: Bradley All-D 1st Team
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2016, 04:48:03 PM »

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awesome.  That should do wonders for his trade value.

I'm so glad you are here to say these things before I do.
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I actually do like Avery Bradley.  He had a solid season.   An All-Defense guard who gives you 15 points on 45%/36%/78% shooting is nothing to sneeze at.   Could you imagine Bradley scoring 20+ in a different system?  I can.  Does that mean he's like 70% (or more) of what Jimmy Butler is?  He's the thing... they are both shooting guards.   Bradley averaged 16.4 points per 36 minutes.  Butler averaged 20.4 per 36 minutes.   According to this award, Bradley is a better defender than Jimmy Butler.

And yet, in a lot of scenarios (where Boston maintains double-max cap space), Boston would need to trade Avery Bradley's 8.4 million dollar contract along with #3 pick and additional assets to land a guy like Butler.   That's a super steep price considering Bradley is already maybe 70-80% the player Butler is (a little better defensively and worse offensively) and the #3 pick could develop into a better player than Butler.   

So anyways, it's a nice award.   Those awards are the only real way we have of ranking players defensively.  Bradley ranks as the best defensive shooting guard, because that's what the ranking says.   Considering that a lot of our prospective trades might need to involve Bradley's contract, it's good info to have.  He's definitely not a "throw-in". 

Re: Bradley All-D 1st Team
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2016, 06:18:28 PM »

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awesome.  That should do wonders for his trade value.

I'm so glad you are here to say these things before I do.
I bookmark Larbrd33 posts and read them daily with my morning joe. :)
I actually do like Avery Bradley.  He had a solid season.   An All-Defense guard who gives you 15 points on 45%/36%/78% shooting is nothing to sneeze at.   Could you imagine Bradley scoring 20+ in a different system?  I can.  Does that mean he's like 70% (or more) of what Jimmy Butler is?  He's the thing... they are both shooting guards.   Bradley averaged 16.4 points per 36 minutes.  Butler averaged 20.4 per 36 minutes.   According to this award, Bradley is a better defender than Jimmy Butler.

And yet, in a lot of scenarios (where Boston maintains double-max cap space), Boston would need to trade Avery Bradley's 8.4 million dollar contract along with #3 pick and additional assets to land a guy like Butler.   That's a super steep price considering Bradley is already maybe 70-80% the player Butler is (a little better defensively and worse offensively) and the #3 pick could develop into a better player than Butler.   

So anyways, it's a nice award.   Those awards are the only real way we have of ranking players defensively.  Bradley ranks as the best defensive shooting guard, because that's what the ranking says.   Considering that a lot of our prospective trades might need to involve Bradley's contract, it's good info to have.  He's definitely not a "throw-in".
Plenty of guys who are 70% as good as xxx, but you still have to trade 5 dimes to get a quarter.  In terms of trade value, AB is 20% of Butler even if he is Butler's equal as a defender.

Re: Bradley All-D 1st Team
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2016, 06:27:22 PM »

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He's not worth that contract !!  What are you doing Danny !!  Overpaying big time !