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Re: Frank Vogel will not return
« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2016, 01:36:20 AM »

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I just watched the entirety of the Bird press conference and I was left bewildered by the  current criticism he is getting. Larry is such a class act, and spoke very highly of Vogel and how challenging of a decision it was. In the context of the whole interview, the thing about Vogel trying to talk him out of the decision was not malicious in any way, but an honest and respectful account. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tfr33ZUKtg

Re: Frank Vogel will not return
« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2016, 02:11:24 AM »

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I'd say how little they got out of Monta Ellis was a big factor. His lack of contribution offensively made their offense too limited. I expect that was seen as a failure of Vogel's given Monta's consistent offensive output elsewhere in his career and given that this was an offensive system which Monta should have done well in.

The Pacers never really got to the free-wheeling offense that Vogel was supposed to build. So in that regard, I can see where Bird is coming from. Vogel failed to take the team far enough into the direction Bird wanted them to go. And Vogel failed to get the best out of his 2nd best offensive threat. The Pacers did well in regular season and playoffs but not in the way that Bird had intended (more about their defense than opening up the offense) - the direction he wanted the team to move towards. I don't think Vogel was fired due to a lack of success (45 wins, 7 game 1st round series loss) but due to the style of the team. That Vogel failed to create the type of offensive system that Bird wanted / envisioned.

I am looking forward to seeing the new-look Pacers next season. I think they can do a lot more offensively with a new coach + the continued growth of Myles Turner.

I appreciate Bird having a vision but there's also a saying about not looking a gift horse in the mouth.  Does anyone think the Pacers should have been a lot better this year than they were?  Does anyone think a different coach is going to get more regular season or playoff wins out of their roster?

Look no further than Dallas who won a title and then, because Cuban listened to all the "smart" people who said he couldn't tie up his cap space with Tyson Chandler, completely wasted the last four years of Nowitski's career.  Sometimes doing the obvious, like hanging on to a great coach who has consistently won for you, is the smartest move of all.

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Re: Frank Vogel will not return
« Reply #47 on: May 06, 2016, 05:07:35 PM »

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Knicks have apparently reached out to Vogel.
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Re: Frank Vogel will not return
« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2016, 05:13:33 PM »

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This was such a terrible move. Vogel is very, very good.
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Re: Frank Vogel will not return
« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2016, 08:17:43 PM »

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I just watched the entirety of the Bird press conference and I was left bewildered by the  current criticism he is getting. Larry is such a class act, and spoke very highly of Vogel and how challenging of a decision it was. In the context of the whole interview, the thing about Vogel trying to talk him out of the decision was not malicious in any way, but an honest and respectful account. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tfr33ZUKtg

I like Bird. But he fired a coach that legitimately overachieved with the talent he provided. His reasoning that players eventually tune out coaches would hold more weight if there wasn't so much talent turnover in Indy the past couple of seasons. Besides PG13, George Hill, and Mahimini, who's been there beyond this season?
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Re: Frank Vogel will not return
« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2016, 08:22:41 PM »

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Knicks have apparently reached out to Vogel.

He'd be really good for Porzingis' development.
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