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Re: Dragan Bender 2016?
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2016, 10:09:13 AM »

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He doesn't seem to play anywhere, including where he is in Israel.

What a horrific mistake he would be as a draft pick.

Just curious, Coach.  What was your opinion of Porzingis going into the draft the last two years?  Honest question.

Love Porzingis.

There is zero accurate comparison between him and this stiff Bender.

There's a little bit more to making it in the association besides being tall, and being mistakenly targeted at 15.

Bender is a poor man's Yi - who we all know Ainge was infatuated with.

And remind me. How many all-stars teams has Why made?

If Ainge takes Bender in the lottery, it will be the worst draft pick in Celtics history.
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Re: Dragan Bender 2016?
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2016, 10:57:34 AM »

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He doesn't seem to play anywhere, including where he is in Israel.

What a horrific mistake he would be as a draft pick.

Just curious, Coach.  What was your opinion of Porzingis going into the draft the last two years?  Honest question.

Love Porzingis.

There is zero accurate comparison between him and this stiff Bender.

There's a little bit more to making it in the association besides being tall, and being mistakenly targeted at 15.

Bender is a poor man's Yi - who we all know Ainge was infatuated with.

And remind me. How many all-stars teams has Why made?

If Ainge takes Bender in the lottery, it will be the worst draft pick in Celtics history.

I don't normally agree with you Coach, but here, I couldn't agree more. I know I said I'd review Bender again before calling him a bust, but I just don't see what the hype is about.  I really don't.
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Re: Dragan Bender 2016?
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2016, 11:20:14 AM »

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Put me down as  AGAINST. Drafting this guy with the Nets pick . 

I d take him with Mavs pick or our own .

the most value for the Nets pick is in a trade for Cousins .

Re: Dragan Bender 2016?
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2016, 11:41:30 AM »

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He doesn't seem to play anywhere, including where he is in Israel.

What a horrific mistake he would be as a draft pick.

Just curious, Coach.  What was your opinion of Porzingis going into the draft the last two years?  Honest question.

Love Porzingis.

There is zero accurate comparison between him and this stiff Bender.

There's a little bit more to making it in the association besides being tall, and being mistakenly targeted at 15.

Bender is a poor man's Yi - who we all know Ainge was infatuated with.

And remind me. How many all-stars teams has Why made?

If Ainge takes Bender in the lottery, it will be the worst draft pick in Celtics history.

Comparing Bender to Yi? Really? And the comparison with Porzingis has been, is and will always be lazy. They are both European and tall, that's it!!!

Porzingis is a half court player, Bender likes to run and gun. Bender is an energy player who has an improving shot, quick feet for a player of his size and a well documented fierce work ethic.

He's been on the radar for a reason, it's exactly the same as when American kids get branded the next superstar in High School. People in Europe actually get to see these players before they come to the NBA, they aren't coming from the Arctic...

I get it, he hasn't played much this year. That doesn't mean he's a definite to be a bust. It means he struggled with injuries, his coach prefers playing vets, they have a shorter season. It's hardly unheard of for Euro players to play less before coming to the NBA. Classic case from last year was Hezonja. What people often ignore is the difference between the Euro clubs and the NCAA. In the NCAA they get a lot of money from attracting these high end recruits, so they are going to end up playing them. In Euro basketball (and this pretty much goes for all sports in Europe, not just basketball) there is just Pro. You turn 16 and the best go pro. Rarely do they waltz into the senior team. Why? Because they are so young, why would the coach play them? Unless you have the next Lionel Messi on your hands its likely you can trust your vets who have seen it all and the kid ends up fighting for bench minutes.

The system is so different from the NCAA where you are basically the unpaid main act for the circus before you're finally allowed to make money for yourself. You have to understand that before you make direct comparisons between the Euro guys and the NCAA guys.

Jennings is an example. he played 18mpg for Roma in the Euroleague and Lega Basket. If he had stayed in the USA I expect he would have gotten far more minutes than that. It's just the nature of the game in Europe

Re: Dragan Bender 2016?
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2016, 12:07:25 PM »

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He doesn't seem to play anywhere, including where he is in Israel.

What a horrific mistake he would be as a draft pick.

Just curious, Coach.  What was your opinion of Porzingis going into the draft the last two years?  Honest question.

Love Porzingis.

There is zero accurate comparison between him and this stiff Bender.

There's a little bit more to making it in the association besides being tall, and being mistakenly targeted at 15.

Bender is a poor man's Yi - who we all know Ainge was infatuated with.

And remind me. How many all-stars teams has Why made?

If Ainge takes Bender in the lottery, it will be the worst draft pick in Celtics history.

Did you love Porzingis in 2014, when we were considering drafting him (before he opted out of draft)? I know you were on this board then. I'm sure you weighed in on him.  It's easy to love him now.  I am not saying that Bender will turn out like Porzingis--I am skeptical as well--but you have such strong views of Bender now prior to the draft. Just curious.

Re: Dragan Bender 2016?
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2016, 12:09:35 PM »

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Put me down as  AGAINST. Drafting this guy with the Nets pick . 

I d take him with Mavs pick or our own .

the most value for the Nets pick is in a trade for Cousins .

No kidding. But that is very unlikely to happen. Especially if we end up with 3rd pick.  Who would you draft in that case?

Re: Dragan Bender 2016?
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2016, 12:26:36 PM »

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From what I have seen and read, the Mirotic comparisons look good. Mirotic with length

Mirotic is not really a PF or sf.    Defensively can't guard either positions particularly well

If bender is projected to be a stretch 4, he has ways to go. Especially on the defensive end.

Risky pick

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Re: Dragan Bender 2016?
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2016, 01:17:52 PM »

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He doesn't seem to play anywhere, including where he is in Israel.

What a horrific mistake he would be as a draft pick.

Just curious, Coach.  What was your opinion of Porzingis going into the draft the last two years?  Honest question.

Love Porzingis.

There is zero accurate comparison between him and this stiff Bender.

There's a little bit more to making it in the association besides being tall, and being mistakenly targeted at 15.

Bender is a poor man's Yi - who we all know Ainge was infatuated with.

And remind me. How many all-stars teams has Why made?

If Ainge takes Bender in the lottery, it will be the worst draft pick in Celtics history.
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Re: Dragan Bender 2016?
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2016, 06:28:02 PM »

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If we draft him, it seems like his skill set is too similar to Olynyk's which would make him redundant. From what I have seen Bender is a more fluid athlete than Olynyk, rendering him expendable.

I don't think he is redundant at all.  I look at Bender as a guy who is projected to be a possible plus defender at multiple positions who also happens to have three-point potential.
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Re: Dragan Bender 2016?
« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2016, 07:02:32 PM »

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Can we quit the Porzingas comparison here are their stats

http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/eurocup/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003695#!careerstats

http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/eurocup/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=004549&seasoncode=U2015



Rankings of Bender

http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/eurocup/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=004549&seasoncode=U2015#!ranks

NOT TOP 25 in any category.


Career highs of Bender

http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/eurocup/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=004549&seasoncode=U2015#!highs

of Porzingas

http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/eurocup/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003695#!highs

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Porzingis is a half court player, Bender likes to run and gun. Bender is an energy player who has an improving shot, quick feet for a player of his size and a well documented fierce work ethic.

Bender does not produce well at all.   For you to pretend he is an energy player that contributes is silly.

his are his Tel Aviv Stats

http://basket.co.il/PlayerPage.asp?PlayerNumber=03&TeamId=950&cYear=2016&cView=2&lang=en

How can you say after seeing these that he produces much at any level with a straight face?

Here are his rankings in that league

http://basket.co.il/PlayerPage.asp?PlayerNumber=03&TeamId=950&cYear=2016&cView=7&lang=en

Player Ranking in Stats Categories

Ranks #69 in Effiency (5.6)
Ranks #70 in Points Per Game (5.5)
Ranks #61 in Rebounds Per Game (2.7)
Ranks #76 in Steals Per Game (0.6)
Ranks #90 in Turnovers Per Game (0.6)
Ranks #12 in Blocks Per Game (0.8)
Ranks #9 in 3-Pts Percentage (41.1%)

Not good at all, and this is not top level competition.   Ainge won't make this mistake you can rest assured folks.

Re: Dragan Bender 2016?
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2016, 07:34:50 PM »

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I guess, for those opposed to taking him, the good thing is that Danny doesn't appear to be a huge fan of international players. Who was the last international guy we drafted?
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: Dragan Bender 2016?
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2016, 08:40:39 AM »

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Celtics4Ever you keep bringing up those stats completely ignoring the minutes played. I ask again, on a per minute basis where does he sit? Or does that ruin your argument?

The Porzingis argument is flawed firstly because they aren't similar prospects and secondly because Porzingis played an extra year in Europe. If bender played another year I'd expect a step forward from him too.

I don't expect him to be as good as Porzingis necessarily, I do expect him to be the 3rd best player in this draft. It's a weaker draft, if any of the top 4 from 2015 were in this draft I think they'd go top (bar Russell maybe)

Re: Dragan Bender 2016?
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2016, 08:44:29 AM »

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There are plenty of reasons a small team in Israel might not play their 18 year old phenom.
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