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Offline Big333223

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Would people do picks 16, 23, 31 and Nets 2018. As well as Rozier, AB and AJ for just Butler?
This is pretty close to what I was advocating for above, so yeah. I'd actually love a deal like that.
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Would people do picks 16, 23, 31 and Nets 2018. As well as Rozier, AB and AJ for just Butler?
This is pretty close to what I was advocating for above, so yeah. I'd actually love a deal like that.

chi is not taking a pick 2 years for now , I mean they will take it if they get it along with Smart and/or brk 16, but they are not taking that pick as the main piece to the trade .

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Bradley, the Brooklyn pick 3-6, Celtics pick, Mavs pick.

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Would people do picks 16, 23, 31 and Nets 2018. As well as Rozier, AB and AJ for just Butler?
This is pretty close to what I was advocating for above, so yeah. I'd actually love a deal like that.

chi is not taking a pick 2 years for now , I mean they will take it if they get it along with Smart and/or brk 16, but they are not taking that pick as the main piece to the trade .
Chicago can't draft ten players in the same year. They'd want some pieces for the future. And I'd be just as willing to give up the Celtics pick in '17 (with swap rights with Brooklyn) instead of Brooklyn's '18 pick.
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Would people do picks 16, 23, 31 and Nets 2018. As well as Rozier, AB and AJ for just Butler?
This is pretty close to what I was advocating for above, so yeah. I'd actually love a deal like that.

chi is not taking a pick 2 years for now , I mean they will take it if they get it along with Smart and/or brk 16, but they are not taking that pick as the main piece to the trade .
Chicago can't draft ten players in the same year. They'd want some pieces for the future. And I'd be just as willing to give up the Celtics pick in '17 (with swap rights with Brooklyn) instead of Brooklyn's '18 pick.

The '17 draft is stacked.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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I think Chicago will ask for the following:

Picks:
2016 Nets
2016 Mavs
2018 Nets

Players:
Crowder
Mickey
Amir (for salary match)



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If the rumors are to believed, it'll probably cost all our picks this year and Crowder.  I've consistently seen media suggest that any deal we attempt to make for a star, the other team is going to want Crowder in the deal.  Maybe Bradley as well. 

Crowder + Bradley + the Brooklyn 1st would be the type of overpay I'd expect to see.  I wouldn't be comfortable doing it unless it guaranteed us a Durant signing. 

I'd rather just hang onto the assets otherwise.  He's not a franchise player.  Some people see him as a future superstar.   I don't see it.  Bulls apparently don't either.

I completely agree.

And since the thread is about what I would give up:  2016 Nets, 2016 Mavs, Amir, and all our rookies.

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I find it surprising if this guy is truly available...

True. It doesn't seem likely.

I think we should keep in mind that we have to trump the best offers out there.

"Best" meaning:  what Chicago needs. Because trading Butler means they're blowing it up, so they'd need draft picks or young players.

  Would you trade Smart, Crowder , and the 3rd pick for Butler and McDermott? Ooh we'd have to add Amir to match dough right? Eek.
 Would either team do this deal? Am I overrating Butler?

No, won't have to match salaries unless they're over the cap. And no, I wouldn't do this deal. Better to offer more picks than give up either of those guys. The Celtics are now in the phase of building a contending team, not just acquiring talent. They should try to keep their best players - this seldom happens, of course, but Boston's asset collection is unusual; they could likely trade for a top player using only draft picks and non-core players, and then sign another in free agency.

Crowder had a breakthrough season and makes a substantial contribution on both sides of the ball. Young Marcus had a rough start what with the injuries, but the team has to be delighted by his progress. He's a potential stopper at three positions (they had him on Millsap some of the time!), has great instincts and anticipation, and began to show some success at a penetrate-and-dish game, including in the playoffs. He's got the poise and lower body to take contact and finish in the paint.

Imagine Crowder/Butler/Smart on the same team. Tough, physical, quick, young.

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I find it surprising if this guy is truly available but if so what do you guys think it would take from us? I think we should keep in mind that we have to trump the best offers out there. It's so hard for me to think what I'd be willing to give up because of attachment to players. Im personally really attached to IT and think he can be the third star on a contender so ideally I'd like to keep him.
  Please don't bash if my ideas are crazy lol. I'm taking into account we have to beat some really good offers.
  Would you trade Smart, Crowder , and the 3rd pick for Butler and McDermott? Ooh we'd have to add Amir to match dough right? Eek.
 Would either team do this deal? Am I overrating Butler?

Yikes, that's a lot. I would hate to give away both Smart and Crowder and Amir; that's our defensive identity right there. Then you add the #3 pick? No thanks. I would do a package of AB, Rozier, RJ, Young, #3, #22, and #31. Lots of assets, but you keep most of what made this team good this year.

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i guess crowder + smart + mavs and boston 2016 1st round pick

It's hard to decide what players to trade because we dont know the bulls interest in any of our players
also crowder's value has gone down from injury and rough playoffs and last games of the season

the trade will most likely need to include a guard as we would have too many to share playing time

from my trade butler replaces crowder at SF with rozier replacing smart at PG

for bulls = crowder could play SF or SG, with smart as backup to derrick rose

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i guess crowder + smart + 2016 nets pick

It's hard to decide what players to trade because we dont know the bulls interest in any of our players
also crowder's value has gone down from injury and rough playoffs and last games of the season

the trade will most likely need to include a guard as we would have too many to share playing time

from my trade butler replaces crowder at SF with rozier replacing smart at PG

for bulls = crowder could play SF or SG, with smart as backup to derrick rose

That's an overpay, in my opinion. I suggested something like the 2016 Brooklyn pick, Crowder, and Rozier (along with a couple of our other young guys for salary purposes), because they coveted Rozier apparently in the draft.

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How about fair and similar to history?
Despite PP, KG wouldn't consider the C's.
Despite IT, KD wouldn't consider C's.

Therefore C's traded Wally, West and the 5th pick for Ray Allen, an older top 5 Sg at the time. KG jumps on board

Therefore C's should trade AJ, Rozier, C's 1st, and the Nets non top 2 pick for Jimmy Butler, a young top 5 SG. KD jumps on board.

C's got vets House, Posey and PJ to jump on board as well.
C's may get vets Stat and Al to jump on board.

Trade up for impact rookies. 16, 31 and 58 for Lab pf/C. 35, 45 and 51 for Stone.

IT/Smart
Butler/AB/Hunter
KD/Crowder/Young
KO/JJ/Lab/Mikey
Stat/Al/Stone

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How about fair and similar to history?
Despite PP, KG wouldn't consider the C's.
Despite IT, KD wouldn't consider C's.

Therefore C's traded Wally, West and the 5th pick for Ray Allen, an older top 5 Sg at the time. KG jumps on board

Therefore C's should trade AJ, Rozier, C's 1st, and the Nets non top 2 pick for Jimmy Butler, a young top 5 SG. KD jumps on board.

C's got vets House, Posey and PJ to jump on board as well.
C's may get vets Stat and Al to jump on board.

Trade up for impact rookies. 16, 31 and 58 for Lab pf/C. 35, 45 and 51 for Stone.

IT/Smart
Butler/AB/Hunter
KD/Crowder/Young
KO/JJ/Lab/Mikey
Stat/Al/Stone
KG wasn't a free agent dude.
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How about fair and similar to history?
Despite PP, KG wouldn't consider the C's.
Despite IT, KD wouldn't consider C's.

Therefore C's traded Wally, West and the 5th pick for Ray Allen, an older top 5 Sg at the time. KG jumps on board

Therefore C's should trade AJ, Rozier, C's 1st, and the Nets non top 2 pick for Jimmy Butler, a young top 5 SG. KD jumps on board.

C's got vets House, Posey and PJ to jump on board as well.
C's may get vets Stat and Al to jump on board.

Trade up for impact rookies. 16, 31 and 58 for Lab pf/C. 35, 45 and 51 for Stone.

IT/Smart
Butler/AB/Hunter
KD/Crowder/Young
KO/JJ/Lab/Mikey
Stat/Al/Stone
KG wasn't a free agent dude.

Waiving a no-trade clause to come here should bear similar weight to a player joining a team in free agency.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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