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Re: Jaylen Brown or Jamal Murray?
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2016, 11:26:58 AM »

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If we have 3, I think I'd go in order

Bender
Brown
Murray
Poeltl

I am so stuck between brown and Murray. I think bender is the clear #3. Brown vs murray to me comes down to a debate of skill vs physical tools. Murray has a great skill set for a 2/1 but lack ideal explosiveness ( despite what the UK combine says) lateral quickness (solid but not elite) and length. Brown is a black canvas in terms of skill set. He has a pretty good handle for his size but other then that get by in his elite physical profile. Very simulate physialy to iquildala but he hasn't show that he can take the obvious step to being a dominate defender.

I have been on the fence all college bball season and even at one point was sold that Poeltl was the answer. Now I question if Zizic and Zubac are not equal prospects to Poeltl.

Bottom line is I would very hesitantly go with the high ceiling physical profile of Brown and live with the fear of him never developing an outside shot.
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Re: Jaylen Brown or Jamal Murray?
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2016, 11:30:27 AM »

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I am a huge Murray fan, I think his shooting would be huge for us. I expect him to develop into a player that can create his own shot off the dribble, but for now he could immediately help us running off screens to get open 3's. He is an extremely crafty scorer, I believe the ball slows him down when he dribbles. When he improves his ball handling enough that the ball no longer slows him down I think he will be a serious problem in the pick and roll.

However, I think I'm coming around on Brown. What Brown did late in the season soured me on him. Being a no show for his tournament game caused me to pull back on him. After a little time has passed I think I was putting too much emphasis on one game. His talent is tantalizing. He's a super athlete, with the body/athleticism to guard multiple positions. He can create off the dribble and is a monster in transition. His college offense didn't really seem to fit his skills but I think our offense would be a perfect fit for him. My biggest issue is I don't really want to add another player that I have to hope develops a jump shot.

So in the end, I'm not sure which I would go with.

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Brown has a strong body, explosive for 6'7 sf , 7'0 wingspan

I like Murray but wonder sometimes if he will struggle to even get free against NBA team/Ind defenders.     You can't draft a guy(3-5 range) to be 3 pt specialist or stand there at the corner . also some questions on his densive capabilities

Tbh, even though shooting addition would be nice (and a natural good shooter) brown is someone for Danny that might be too hard to pass up

I have the exact same concerns about Murray creating his own shot and getting off shots in the NBA.
I think he could eventually become a CJ Mcollum type of scorer but i prefer Brown because of his athleticism, size and ceiling.

Brown has elite defensive potential and wlite athleticism which can hopefully be molded into elite offense.

Right now I'd probably take Hield ahead of both though.
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Re: Jaylen Brown or Jamal Murray?
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2016, 11:44:47 AM »

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If we have 3, I think I'd go in order

Bender
Brown
Murray
Poeltl

I think that's a reasonable board for picks 3-4-5-6.

I know some folks might argue for Hield or Dunn to get inserted into that mix, but for me, I'd have both just outside that group.

People are down a bit too much on Poeltl, I think, due to one bad tournament game where he got into early foul trouble.   I've been reviewing his season lately and I feel re-affirmed that he's got all the tools to be a really, really excellent center in the NBA on both ends of the court.  We need two-way players.

Poeltl got 'out' everything 1-1 vs Sabonis
I don't know.  Sabonis did his homework on him and just was one step ahead on both ends.  A key reason Utah lost. 

Re: Jaylen Brown or Jamal Murray?
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2016, 11:53:30 AM »

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Re: Jaylen Brown or Jamal Murray?
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2016, 11:57:19 AM »

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Some concern on Brown...


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While he looks the part of an NBA player, his decision-making and ability to create his own shot are considered weaknesses. And scouts seem to be significantly cooling on him as they dig deeper into his time at Cal.

Re: Jaylen Brown or Jamal Murray?
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2016, 11:58:16 AM »

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Is there really any way we use our pick if it comes down to these two? Danny has no other choice than to move it in a package for a bigger name player, even if it is an overpay.

I liked Brown early on, but too many question marks and we have guys like him already (although a bit shorter). Murray may surprise, but seems like a reach at #3 or #4.

I would much rather have the sure thing of an all-star coming in than have to make the pick and hope for the best in a few years.

Re: Jaylen Brown or Jamal Murray?
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2016, 11:59:43 AM »

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The one thing that worries me about brown is his inability or little confidence to drive left . and inconsistent jump shot

Teams were daring him to go left more and left him a bit of room daring him to shoot. He either passed the ball or missed the jump shot

Jump shot can be fixed, but not sure about ability to drive left. I bet one of the 1st things GM's will ask brown to do in workouts. Also long duration jump shooting session
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2016, 12:10:31 PM »

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While he looks the part of an NBA player, his decision-making and ability to create his own shot are considered weaknesses. And scouts seem to be significantly cooling on him as they dig deeper into his time at Cal.
Was that quote from his last mock?
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Re: Jaylen Brown or Jamal Murray?
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2016, 12:19:13 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2016, 12:25:01 PM »

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If we have 3, I think I'd go in order

Bender
Brown
Murray
Poeltl

I think that's a reasonable board for picks 3-4-5-6.

I know some folks might argue for Hield or Dunn to get inserted into that mix, but for me, I'd have both just outside that group.

People are down a bit too much on Poeltl, I think, due to one bad tournament game where he got into early foul trouble.   I've been reviewing his season lately and I feel re-affirmed that he's got all the tools to be a really, really excellent center in the NBA on both ends of the court.  We need two-way players.

Poeltl got 'out' everything 1-1 vs Sabonis
I don't know.  Sabonis did his homework on him and just was one step ahead on both ends.  A key reason Utah lost.

Like I said.  Some people read way too much into one game.

I like Sabonis a ton, but he didn't actually match up that much directly against Poeltl in that game.  Wiltjer was the Utah big often on Poeltl and Poeltl only played 24 minutes.  Poeltl picked up his second foul just 13 minutes into the game, with the game still close.   By the time he came back in after the half, it was a 44-29 blowout.

In college ball, with only a 5 foul limit, you can't afford to have your best player start the 2nd half with 3 fouls so that 2nd foul put him on the bench for a long, crucial stretch of the game.

Gonzaga blew out Utah, for sure.  But the one game doesn't really represent much of an accurate measuring stick on Poeltl.
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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2016, 12:28:10 PM »

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If we have 3, I think I'd go in order

Bender
Brown
Murray
Poeltl

I think that's a reasonable board for picks 3-4-5-6.

I know some folks might argue for Hield or Dunn to get inserted into that mix, but for me, I'd have both just outside that group.

People are down a bit too much on Poeltl, I think, due to one bad tournament game where he got into early foul trouble.   I've been reviewing his season lately and I feel re-affirmed that he's got all the tools to be a really, really excellent center in the NBA on both ends of the court.  We need two-way players.

Poeltl got 'out' everything 1-1 vs Sabonis
I don't know.  Sabonis did his homework on him and just was one step ahead on both ends.  A key reason Utah lost.

Like I said.  Some people read way too much into one game.

I like Sabonis a ton, but he didn't actually match up that much directly against Poeltl in that game.  Wiltjer was the Utah big often on Poeltl and Poeltl only played 24 minutes.  Poeltl picked up his second foul just 13 minutes into the game, with the game still close.   By the time he came back in after the half, it was a 44-29 blowout.

In college ball, with only a 5 foul limit, you can't afford to have your best player start the 2nd half with 3 fouls so that 2nd foul put him on the bench for a long, crucial stretch of the game.

Gonzaga blew out Utah, for sure.  But the one game doesn't really represent much of an accurate measuring stick on Poeltl.

So you would take poeltl with the 3rd pick?

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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2016, 12:56:36 PM »

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Some concern on Brown...


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While he looks the part of an NBA player, his decision-making and ability to create his own shot are considered weaknesses. And scouts seem to be significantly cooling on him as they dig deeper into his time at Cal.
Was that quote from his last mock?

His most recent Big Board, which actually had a lot of updated info from scouts.

Re: Jaylen Brown or Jamal Murray?
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2016, 01:19:55 PM »

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True, but neither has a complete game...since the Celtics need shooting, I opted for shooting.
You always take the BPA.  Silly to draft for need because needs change.

Yea that's why we have a glut at pg and no center ::)

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« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2016, 01:21:20 PM »

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True, but neither has a complete game...since the Celtics need shooting, I opted for shooting.
You always take the BPA.  Silly to draft for need because needs change.

Yea that's why we have a glut at pg and no center ::)

Marcus Smart will soon play center at this rate

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« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2016, 01:26:06 PM »

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True, but neither has a complete game...since the Celtics need shooting, I opted for shooting.
You always take the BPA.  Silly to draft for need because needs change.

Yea that's why we have a glut at pg and no center ::)

Hood and Jefferson were also a need at sf but we took an already limited player that was scouted as such and wait for it..... Another point guard  ::)

Marcus Smart will soon play center at this rate