I just can't come up with any great post players that had short arms.
Interesting you bring up the point about smart, I feel like sabonis has smarts bball iq, but on offense instead of defense.
I do see him as much better than nick Collison however.
I hope Eddie20 was joking. They don't compare. Sabonis is much better at the same age
Based on that comment I'm pretty sure you never saw Collison play at Kansas. But let's compare...
Sophomore seasons
Collison vs Sabonis
PPG 14.0 - 17.6
RPG 6.7 - 11.8
APG 2.2 - 1.8
SPG 1.1 - 0.6
BPG 1.6 - 0.9
MPG 27.0 - 31.9
FG% 59.7 - 61.1
(Measurements)
HT w/ shoes 6-10 - 6-10
WT 255 - 238
Wingspan 7-1.5 - 6-10.5
Standing Reach 9-0 - ?
Max Vert 33.0 - ?
The major difference between the two though is that one played in a tough conference (Big 12), while the other played vs mediocre opponents (WAC).
Collison went on to play 2 more seasons at Kansas and was the player of the year his senior season. He then was drafted #12 (where roughly Sabonis projects). However, the point is when you lack length and athleticism, even though young Collison was more athletic and has more length than current Sabonis, your upside is limited despite who your dad is and how gritty you are.
Just so you know how Collison looked at Kansas...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB5NJAFTP-0
you are off Eddie20
why don't you post Collisons 4 year stats. Are Year 1 and 2 considered good? Especially rebounding #s. You tell me
Sabonis on the other hand did what collison did in his 2nd season at age 19
collison was player of the year, in his 4th year. Wasn't Hansborough also a player of the year winner in his 4th year?
Hansborough , collison as good as they were as older college players also are 6'8, 6'9 pfs with mediocre wingspan, mediocre lateral quickness and can't jump off the ground quickly (Sabonis 2nd jump is quicker). They both also have little to offer around the post (outside of overpowering younger players in college).
I can understand why you bring up Collison to compare to Sabonis but if you dig deeper and look at the finer details, Sabonis is a better player at the same age no question. Don't forget also is 6'10-6'11 vs 6'8-6'9 which makes a difference. For example you can see over people making it easier to make passes etc.