Kevin Love isn't special anymore

[Roy H.]

Well, if Love takes a Brooklyn pick, I'd much rather go for Horford or Howard without giving up the pick. I think he's better than both, but not by as much as Cleveland would like to believe in a trade.

Accounting for defense and versatility, I'd take Horford straight up over Love.

Except Horford is 30 and probably wants a max deal and is no way worth that $, and Love is younger and already signed, big difference there.

I'd rather have the better player. Love has shown no ability to improve.

[Roy H.]

Yes he is.

I'd place him among the top 3 or 4 PF's in the league, and in my top 10-12 players in the league.

Not his fault if Lebron/Kyrie/Coach Blatt/Coach Lue - haven't figured out how to use him.

If Danny/CBS gets THEIR hands on him, he'll explode. I truly believe that.

Is there any way to hide him covering the P&R? His defense is atrocious.

True, I agree with you about his defense.

But I think he's willing to get better in that area AND CBS would help him get there.

See, that's my issue. He's never shown any willingness to improve his D. That's not a coaching issue, that's an effort / attitude issue

[Csfan1984]

Well, if Love takes a Brooklyn pick, I'd much rather go for Horford or Howard without giving up the pick. I think he's better than both, but not by as much as Cleveland would like to believe in a trade.

+1

I'd only deal Nets pick for a single player if he is a top 10 player such as Cousins or Griffin. Harden, Davis, LeBron, Curry, PG, Lenard, Westbrook, and Durant are clearly not available.

I'd do a package deal for Hayward and Favors for 2016 Nets pick, Dallas pick, C's 2016 pick and 2018 Nets pick. Just add AJ and Lee as the players going back. Think trade machine says it makes team a +12.

IT/Smart/Rozier
Hayward/AB/Hunter
Crowder/Turner/Young
KO/Sully/JJ
Favors/Zeller/Mickey

[GreenFaith1819]

Yes he is.

I'd place him among the top 3 or 4 PF's in the league, and in my top 10-12 players in the league.

Not his fault if Lebron/Kyrie/Coach Blatt/Coach Lue - haven't figured out how to use him.

If Danny/CBS gets THEIR hands on him, he'll explode. I truly believe that.

Is there any way to hide him covering the P&R? His defense is atrocious.

True, I agree with you about his defense.

But I think he's willing to get better in that area AND CBS would help him get there.

See, that's my issue. He's never shown any willingness to improve his D. That's not a coaching issue, that's an effort / attitude issue

Can't deny that.

But BOS was reportedly his SECOND option just a few months ago. He knows what BOS and CBS is about.

I'm sure he knows he'd have to commit more defensively IF he gets to BOS. Couple that with our environment, the players here already (Marcus, Jae, Amir, AB, IT) and he'd already have a GREAT defense around him.

"IF" he gets to BOS soon, he'd already have perhaps his BEST defensive environment EVER. I "know" he'd get better.

If IT4 could get better defensively here (which he has) then I KNOW KLove would. Your environment helps tremendously in that area.

KLove is not a lost cause defensively, and Danny/CBS would prove that.

If Woj stated recently that Danny still covets KLove, then there must be a reason for it.

[Larry for 3]

Well, if Love takes a Brooklyn pick, I'd much rather go for Horford or Howard without giving up the pick. I think he's better than both, but not by as much as Cleveland would like to believe in a trade.

Accounting for defense and versatility, I'd take Horford straight up over Love.

So you want to pay Horford $23 million when he's 33 and 34 years old. That's a mistake that will hurt this roster moving forward. The difference between the 2 players isn't so great where you say "Gotta get Horford".

Except Horford is 30 and probably wants a max deal and is no way worth that $, and Love is younger and already signed, big difference there.

I'd rather have the better player. Love has shown no ability to improve.

[GreenFaith1819]

Finally, I challenge ANYONE here to find me a KEVIN that has worn GREEN that has NOT produced or helped us to WIN.

KEVIN McHale.

KEVIN Garnett.

Heck, even Kevin Gamble played well for us in the 80's, lol.

I'd like KEVIN Love to be added to the KEVIN's that have helped BOS win.

[Snakehead]

Yes he is.

I'd place him among the top 3 or 4 PF's in the league, and in my top 10-12 players in the league.

Not his fault if Lebron/Kyrie/Coach Blatt/Coach Lue - haven't figured out how to use him.

If Danny/CBS gets THEIR hands on him, he'll explode. I truly believe that.

Is there any way to hide him covering the P&R? His defense is atrocious.

True, I agree with you about his defense.

But I think he's willing to get better in that area AND CBS would help him get there.

See, that's my issue. He's never shown any willingness to improve his D. That's not a coaching issue, that's an effort / attitude issue

I agree with Roy.  I mean a breakthrough could still happen but you think it would in Cleveland already.  It has with other players when the stakes get large and they're with other defenders on the floor.  I think Pierce got a lot better for example.

I think we do have defenders to hide a player like that.  But still I think it's an issue for me as well.  It says something about the player deep down.

[Roy H.]

Finally, I challenge ANYONE here to find me a KEVIN that has worn GREEN that has NOT produced or helped us to WIN.

KEVIN McHale.

KEVIN Garnett.

Heck, even Kevin Gamble played well for us in the 80's, lol.

I'd like KEVIN Love to be added to the KEVIN's that have helped BOS win.

Kevinn Pinkney?

[GreenFaith1819]

Finally, I challenge ANYONE here to find me a KEVIN that has worn GREEN that has NOT produced or helped us to WIN.

KEVIN McHale.

KEVIN Garnett.

Heck, even Kevin Gamble played well for us in the 80's, lol.

I'd like KEVIN Love to be added to the KEVIN's that have helped BOS win.

Kevinn Pinkney?

Wait that's not fair, lol.

2006-07 was a HORRIBLE year. I'd soon erase that year from my memory.

[alldaboston]

He's still special, he's just on a team not using him properly. Although, defensively, yes, he's not special at all.

[MJohnnyboy]

Finally, I challenge ANYONE here to find me a KEVIN that has worn GREEN that has NOT produced or helped us to WIN.

KEVIN McHale.

KEVIN Garnett.

Heck, even Kevin Gamble played well for us in the 80's, lol.

I'd like KEVIN Love to be added to the KEVIN's that have helped BOS win.

Kevinn Pinkney?

Has two n's. Doesn't count. 

How about Kevin Gamble aka the last guy to wear #34 before the Truth?

[billysan]

For me its all about the price tag.

Kevin Love will improve this team but what will it cost us?

I dont see the Cavaliers giving him up for David Lee, Picks and Pieces of salary filler. It will cost Sullinger, picks, and a lot more IMO. Do we give up Avery, Crowder or Smart? Thats more than we can afford to give up. Who is going to play Center next to him and cover for his defensive issues? Olynyk? Zeller?  Amir?

If its Amir and Jerebko with a couple future number ones then maybe. I dont think that gets it done.

[walker834]

Kevin Love was a statistical monster in Minnesota.  If he gets us a title here he'd be comparable to Pierce.  He's been a top 5 player statistically in the league and even as high as top 3.  He's probably in the top 20 or 30 players right now.   He'd be a top 10 player here I would hope.

[Jon]

Well, if Love takes a Brooklyn pick, I'd much rather go for Horford or Howard without giving up the pick. I think he's better than both, but not by as much as Cleveland would like to believe in a trade.

Accounting for defense and versatility, I'd take Horford straight up over Love.

I largely agree.  Though if Ainge is of the mind that we need another elite scorer to be a contender, Love certainly fits that bill more than Horford. 

[mgent]

Yes he is.

I'd place him among the top 3 or 4 PF's in the league, and in my top 10-12 players in the league.

Not his fault if Lebron/Kyrie/Coach Blatt/Coach Lue - haven't figured out how to use him.

If Danny/CBS gets THEIR hands on him, he'll explode. I truly believe that.

Is there any way to hide him covering the P&R? His defense is atrocious.

True, I agree with you about his defense.

But I think he's willing to get better in that area AND CBS would help him get there.

I third the defense.

I'm sure he's willing to work with Brad to get better on D, whether he'll actually get better, is a different story.