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chemistry and deadline trades
« on: February 11, 2016, 11:17:15 AM »

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this team is so much fun to watch, they play together, they trust each other, they are grit and balls.
they are a collection of mis-fit toys  including a 5'9" pg, a 6'7 back up point guard, 2 football players, a 7' 3 point specialist, a 6'9 starting center... on and on and on. They win because of WE, not me.

i don't know if we're ready to make the leap and i'm nervous about pulling the trigger on a trade that could disrupt our flow. however there are some intriguing players available and we have a lot of assets that are not integral to our current success.

the players I think are expendable are Lee, hunter, young, zeller and rozier
i'd consider including sully or JJ and to a lesser extent bradley for the right return.

for the sake of continuing our success i would not include IT, Smart, Crowder, Turner, Oly, or Amir.
for the sake of our future I would not include the nets 2016 pick or 2017 pick swap.

the tradable assets are not the most illustrious of names but add the dallas pick, our pick, and second rounders and I think we could get something done.

there are a few names out there that I think may be available in our price range

Greg Monroe: Lee, Zeller and either our pick or Dallas pick.
he gives us the low post scorer we need, plus he runs the floor and is a good passer. his D has been described anywhere from "worst in the league" to adequate. given how we've seen guys like turner, IT and Oly evolve into hard working defenders i think CBS could get him to at least live up to "adequate".

Tobias Harris: Lee, Sully, second rounder.
TH adds scoring and stretch 4 ability. he helps us maintain spacing and tempo and improves our swing depth. Unfortunately i think he doesn't move the needle enough to give up sully and we have JJ who has done a fine job as our reserve swing, he can't score like TH but he fits our team so well.

Al Horford: Sully, Zeller, JJ, Young, top 3 protected nets pick, Dallas pick.
big upgrade AND Jordan Mickey playing time. whats not to like?
is it to disruptive? is it worth the risk of loosing him this summer?
is his injury history and age a concern?

 

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Re: chemistry and deadline trades
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2016, 11:24:35 AM »

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Al Horford: Sully, Zeller, JJ, Young, top 3 protected nets pick, Dallas pick.
big upgrade AND Jordan Mickey playing time. whats not to like?
is it to disruptive? is it worth the risk of loosing him this summer?
is his injury history and age a concern?

I was with you up until this one.  That is wayyyyyy too much to give up for a rental.  Also, you can't add protection to another team's pick that you've already traded for.

Re: chemistry and deadline trades
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2016, 11:34:14 AM »

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With Horford being a rental and Monroe and Harris having a lot of money and years I'd pass on all these, though for conversation sake they are nice constructions/deals. I'd rather see the C's hang on to all their picks for the godfather offers to help orchestrate a sign-and-trade (or two) in the offseason.

What would be a better use for the DAL pick for instance: getting Horford for three months or leveraging it to bring in DeMar DeRozan long-term? Or packaging that with our own and/or any of the Brooklyn picks for Durant/Giannis, etc. etc. Whiteside maybe??

I don't think those are likely but considering who the return is suggested at the moment I want to keep my options as open as possible. Not to mention the current group is burning up the nets! ...And not besting GS, CLE, or OKC regardless in '16.

Re: chemistry and deadline trades
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2016, 11:41:19 AM »

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Al Horford: Sully, Zeller, JJ, Young, top 3 protected nets pick, Dallas pick.
big upgrade AND Jordan Mickey playing time. whats not to like?
is it to disruptive? is it worth the risk of loosing him this summer?
is his injury history and age a concern?

I was with you up until this one.  That is wayyyyyy too much to give up for a rental.  Also, you can't add protection to another team's pick that you've already traded for.

for the record i think its to much to give up for horford as well.
and i believe you can add protection to the pick. (as debated and resolved in another tread)

Re: chemistry and deadline trades
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2016, 11:45:13 AM »

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Al Horford: Sully, Zeller, JJ, Young, top 3 protected nets pick, Dallas pick.
big upgrade AND Jordan Mickey playing time. whats not to like?
is it to disruptive? is it worth the risk of loosing him this summer?
is his injury history and age a concern?

I was with you up until this one.  That is wayyyyyy too much to give up for a rental.  Also, you can't add protection to another team's pick that you've already traded for.

for the record i think its to much to give up for horford as well.
and i believe you can add protection to the pick. (as debated and resolved in another tread)

I think someone asked Larry Coon, who said that you cannot
I'm bitter.

Re: chemistry and deadline trades
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2016, 11:52:16 AM »

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Al Horford: Sully, Zeller, JJ, Young, top 3 protected nets pick, Dallas pick.
big upgrade AND Jordan Mickey playing time. whats not to like?
is it to disruptive? is it worth the risk of loosing him this summer?
is his injury history and age a concern?

I was with you up until this one.  That is wayyyyyy too much to give up for a rental.  Also, you can't add protection to another team's pick that you've already traded for.

for the record i think its to much to give up for horford as well.
and i believe you can add protection to the pick. (as debated and resolved in another tread)

I think someone asked Larry Coon, who said that you cannot

my bad if I am mistaken but it doesn't make sense.
we own that pick. we can use it, trade it, or love it and hug it and call it George.
it would be an odd departure from the right of ownership to put that restriction on a traded pick.


Re: chemistry and deadline trades
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2016, 11:57:20 AM »

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Not now

He ll be there this summer ,along with others ...more choices .

He is getting huge money PERIOD ....not saving a dime buy rushing the situation.

No reason to throw a lot of assets at him and STILL.....have to sign a huge contract to keep him.....under the pressure then.....you've tossed assets away and now forced to bid way up to keep him.....I would BUY him this summer rather than throw assets at him.


Giving up players and picks for one half a season .....is a bad idea.

Plus ..never know WHO else might surprise and become available.

Hold your cards Danny . 

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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2016, 12:38:17 PM »

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Our success recently is a little bit fools gold.  I told my dad we might land horford and he reacted by saying "nooo!  We shouldn't change anything!!".  We are playing well and will probably be an annoying opponent to any team we face off against in the playoffs, but this team is still a long way from being a contender.

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2016, 12:53:16 PM »

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Al Horford: Sully, Zeller, JJ, Young, top 3 protected nets pick, Dallas pick.
big upgrade AND Jordan Mickey playing time. whats not to like?
is it to disruptive? is it worth the risk of loosing him this summer?
is his injury history and age a concern?

I was with you up until this one.  That is wayyyyyy too much to give up for a rental.  Also, you can't add protection to another team's pick that you've already traded for.

for the record i think its to much to give up for horford as well.
and i believe you can add protection to the pick. (as debated and resolved in another tread)

I think someone asked Larry Coon, who said that you cannot

my bad if I am mistaken but it doesn't make sense.
we own that pick. we can use it, trade it, or love it and hug it and call it George.
it would be an odd departure from the right of ownership to put that restriction on a traded pick.

Regarding protecting the pick, at a minimum, there would have to be a stipulation as to what happens if the pick doesn't convey. You can't just roll over to the next year like if it was our own pick.  It would have to be something like if the 2016 doesn't convey, then they get the 2018 BKN pick or some future Celtics pick.  I think if both teams agree and it is a workable logic path, no reason they couldn't protect the pick.

Actually, I like that slogan, "Protect the Pick"

Re: chemistry and deadline trades
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2016, 01:06:07 PM »

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Al Horford: Sully, Zeller, JJ, Young, top 3 protected nets pick, Dallas pick.
big upgrade AND Jordan Mickey playing time. whats not to like?
is it to disruptive? is it worth the risk of loosing him this summer?
is his injury history and age a concern?

I was with you up until this one.  That is wayyyyyy too much to give up for a rental.  Also, you can't add protection to another team's pick that you've already traded for.

for the record i think its to much to give up for horford as well.
and i believe you can add protection to the pick. (as debated and resolved in another tread)

I think someone asked Larry Coon, who said that you cannot

my bad if I am mistaken but it doesn't make sense.
we own that pick. we can use it, trade it, or love it and hug it and call it George.
it would be an odd departure from the right of ownership to put that restriction on a traded pick.

Regarding protecting the pick, at a minimum, there would have to be a stipulation as to what happens if the pick doesn't convey. You can't just roll over to the next year like if it was our own pick.  It would have to be something like if the 2016 doesn't convey, then they get the 2018 BKN pick or some future Celtics pick.  I think if both teams agree and it is a workable logic path, no reason they couldn't protect the pick.

Actually, I like that slogan, "Protect the Pick"

TP thanks for the insight.
protect the pick!

Re: chemistry and deadline trades
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2016, 01:11:48 PM »

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As far as chemistry goes, I think Horford would add to it not take it away. He is by all accounts a good locker room guy and seems to have the skillsets of all our bigs combined.
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Re: chemistry and deadline trades
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2016, 01:26:36 PM »

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As far as chemistry goes, I think Horford would add to it not take it away. He is by all accounts a good locker room guy and seems to have the skillsets of all our bigs combined.

its not the addition of Horford which has me worried about chemistry, its the subtraction of multiple players who currently contribute to success and team.
Sully, JJ and to a lesser extant Zeller  are all important cogs.