Sixers unlikely to deal a big until Summer 2016

[Lucky17]

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[C]enters Nerlens Noel and Jahlil Okafor have the biggest trade value on the team. As a result, teams have been calling about those two. However, the Sixers don't want to part ways with either until they know if Joel Embiid, a third center, will be healthy enough to play.

Embiid, the 2014 third overall draft pick, has yet to play because of right foot surgery in each of the past two summers.  So if the Sixers do trade one of their centers, it probably won't happen until this summer.

Probably for the best. Knowing the Sixers, they'd probably trade the wrong big, with Embiid forced to undergo yet another surgery next year.

[jpotter33]

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[C]enters Nerlens Noel and Jahlil Okafor have the biggest trade value on the team. As a result, teams have been calling about those two. However, the Sixers don't want to part ways with either until they know if Joel Embiid, a third center, will be healthy enough to play.

Embiid, the 2014 third overall draft pick, has yet to play because of right foot surgery in each of the past two summers.  So if the Sixers do trade one of their centers, it probably won't happen until this summer.

Probably for the best. Knowing the Sixers, they'd probably trade the wrong big, with Embiid forced to undergo yet another surgery next year.

I don't see why waiting is going to be any better for them. It's been shown pretty obviously that Okafor and Noel can't play together, and with both of them being starting caliber 5's, they'll have to trade one eventually no matter what. Keeping them even longer is just going to hurt their stock even more as one of them will be playing out of position and hurting their numbers/trade value.

[Big333223]

This is sensible. There's no rush to make a move. If they decide during the summer they want to trade someone, all those offers will still be there.

Maybe we'll acquire Horford soon, draft Ingram, and trade some future assetts for Noel in the summer. That'd be cool.

[Lucky17]

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[C]enters Nerlens Noel and Jahlil Okafor have the biggest trade value on the team. As a result, teams have been calling about those two. However, the Sixers don't want to part ways with either until they know if Joel Embiid, a third center, will be healthy enough to play.

Embiid, the 2014 third overall draft pick, has yet to play because of right foot surgery in each of the past two summers.  So if the Sixers do trade one of their centers, it probably won't happen until this summer.

Probably for the best. Knowing the Sixers, they'd probably trade the wrong big, with Embiid forced to undergo yet another surgery next year.

I don't see why waiting is going to be any better for them. It's been shown pretty obviously that Okafor and Noel can't play together, and with both of them being starting caliber 5's, they'll have to trade one eventually no matter what. Keeping them even longer is just going to hurt their stock even more as one of them will be playing out of position and hurting their numbers/trade value.

Right, but which one plays better with Embiid? The other one is the one you trade.

[Moranis]

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[C]enters Nerlens Noel and Jahlil Okafor have the biggest trade value on the team. As a result, teams have been calling about those two. However, the Sixers don't want to part ways with either until they know if Joel Embiid, a third center, will be healthy enough to play.

Embiid, the 2014 third overall draft pick, has yet to play because of right foot surgery in each of the past two summers.  So if the Sixers do trade one of their centers, it probably won't happen until this summer.

Probably for the best. Knowing the Sixers, they'd probably trade the wrong big, with Embiid forced to undergo yet another surgery next year.

I don't see why waiting is going to be any better for them. It's been shown pretty obviously that Okafor and Noel can't play together, and with both of them being starting caliber 5's, they'll have to trade one eventually no matter what. Keeping them even longer is just going to hurt their stock even more as one of them will be playing out of position and hurting their numbers/trade value.

except everyone knows this so I don't think their stock gets hurt at all.  No reason to trade one now, wait till the draft, that is when they will get the most value

[jpotter33]

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[C]enters Nerlens Noel and Jahlil Okafor have the biggest trade value on the team. As a result, teams have been calling about those two. However, the Sixers don't want to part ways with either until they know if Joel Embiid, a third center, will be healthy enough to play.

Embiid, the 2014 third overall draft pick, has yet to play because of right foot surgery in each of the past two summers.  So if the Sixers do trade one of their centers, it probably won't happen until this summer.

Probably for the best. Knowing the Sixers, they'd probably trade the wrong big, with Embiid forced to undergo yet another surgery next year.

I don't see why waiting is going to be any better for them. It's been shown pretty obviously that Okafor and Noel can't play together, and with both of them being starting caliber 5's, they'll have to trade one eventually no matter what. Keeping them even longer is just going to hurt their stock even more as one of them will be playing out of position and hurting their numbers/trade value.

Right, but which one plays better with Embiid? The other one is the one you trade.

I'm under the impression that it's just going to be the same as the current two, i.e. neither of them will be able to play with Embiid. I think they'll ultimately have to trade two out of the three in order to have a good fit, because I just don't buy that Embiid will be able to play with either of them. I guess I see the point of waiting to see if Embiid works with either of them, but I just don't see it working.

[PhoSita]

I think the move for Philly is to wait until after the lottery happens, then try to trade Noel or Okafor to one of the teams with a top 5-8 pick that missed out on the top 2 or 3.  Try to get back a productive young player or two in addition to that team's top 5-8 pick.

Philly could then have as many as three picks in the top 5-8 slots, while keeping one of their nice young center prospects and adding one or two productive young players.

[Moranis]

I think the move for Philly is to wait until after the lottery happens, then try to trade Noel or Okafor to one of the teams with a top 5-8 pick that missed out on the top 2 or 3.  Try to get back a productive young player or two in addition to that team's top 5-8 pick.

Philly could then have as many as three picks in the top 5-8 slots, while keeping one of their nice young center prospects and adding one or two productive young players.

Yep.  I think the draft (or right before it) is when they will get the most value.  Like if Orlando is ready to move on from Harris, I could totally see Harris, Napier, and 10 (or whatever it is) for Okafor.  I think that would be a solid trade for both teams.  Philly could use a scoring wing like Harris, clearly could use a PG prospect like Napier, and still has 10 and Orlando can get a big scoring center to help balance out its roster.

[Csfan1984]

I think a lot falls on the draft process and scouting. If there are multiple bigs coming out that look promising it's probably best to deal your guys now before teams get a look at the prospects up close. I would have to rely on my scouting dep. to determine in the 2016 class of bigs will have an impact on Okafor and Noel's value.

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[C]enters Nerlens Noel and Jahlil Okafor have the biggest trade value on the team. As a result, teams have been calling about those two. However, the Sixers don't want to part ways with either until they know if Joel Embiid, a third center, will be healthy enough to play.

Embiid, the 2014 third overall draft pick, has yet to play because of right foot surgery in each of the past two summers.  So if the Sixers do trade one of their centers, it probably won't happen until this summer.

Probably for the best. Knowing the Sixers, they'd probably trade the wrong big, with Embiid forced to undergo yet another surgery next year.

I don't see why waiting is going to be any better for them. It's been shown pretty obviously that Okafor and Noel can't play together, and with both of them being starting caliber 5's, they'll have to trade one eventually no matter what. Keeping them even longer is just going to hurt their stock even more as one of them will be playing out of position and hurting their numbers/trade value.

except everyone knows this so I don't think their stock gets hurt at all.  No reason to trade one now, wait till the draft, that is when they will get the most value

This is probably right. But, neither is going to fit well with Embiid anyway.

So while I'm sure they're not doing this, I wouldn't create a superficial rule about waiting 'til summer because you assume you may get more value then. They should be looking for a good deal for whichever they care to have least, no matter what the timing.

[PhoSita]

I think the move for Philly is to wait until after the lottery happens, then try to trade Noel or Okafor to one of the teams with a top 5-8 pick that missed out on the top 2 or 3.  Try to get back a productive young player or two in addition to that team's top 5-8 pick.

Philly could then have as many as three picks in the top 5-8 slots, while keeping one of their nice young center prospects and adding one or two productive young players.

Yep.  I think the draft (or right before it) is when they will get the most value.  Like if Orlando is ready to move on from Harris, I could totally see Harris, Napier, and 10 (or whatever it is) for Okafor.  I think that would be a solid trade for both teams.  Philly could use a scoring wing like Harris, clearly could use a PG prospect like Napier, and still has 10 and Orlando can get a big scoring center to help balance out its roster.

Or it could be something like Nets (#5), Avery Bradley, James Young for Okafor and filler

[LarBrd33]

Yup.   As I've been saying... the Colangelo hire was partially intended to placate the rabblerousers.  I'm sure his opinion will matter a lot for future decisions, but nothing changes... tank until the offseason and deal with it then.   

The timing was mostly just to build the perception that they had changed course.  I guess trading for Ish Smith and signing Elton Brand were nice stop-gap moves, but they know that finishing with the worst record this season is their best move.

Fwiw, I've heard that they have inquired about trading for Teague or Schroeder. 

But yeah... pretty funny that the Colangelo hire was met with such hyperbolic "the league is stepping in!!... the tank is over!!" reactionary posts.  As expected, they are sticking to the same plan.

A competent GM can have this team in the playoffs pretty quickly. 

[LooseCannon]

I honestly don't expect either to be seriously on the table until summer 2017.

[TheSundanceKid]

I think the move for Philly is to wait until after the lottery happens, then try to trade Noel or Okafor to one of the teams with a top 5-8 pick that missed out on the top 2 or 3.  Try to get back a productive young player or two in addition to that team's top 5-8 pick.

Philly could then have as many as three picks in the top 5-8 slots, while keeping one of their nice young center prospects and adding one or two productive young players.

Yep.  I think the draft (or right before it) is when they will get the most value.  Like if Orlando is ready to move on from Harris, I could totally see Harris, Napier, and 10 (or whatever it is) for Okafor.  I think that would be a solid trade for both teams.  Philly could use a scoring wing like Harris, clearly could use a PG prospect like Napier, and still has 10 and Orlando can get a big scoring center to help balance out its roster.

Or it could be something like Nets (#5), Avery Bradley, James Young for Okafor and filler

That Orlando trade makes a lot of sense for both sides. It'd likely require the Magic to move Vucevic eventually though.

Of the two I'd prefer to target Noel. Something like Nets (#5), Rozier, Young, Zeller/Sully

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A competent GM can have this team in the playoffs pretty quickly.

As I recall, you agree on this -- Hinkie IS a very competent GM. Yes the losing is painful. But Philly's in a better place to build a good young team than most lottery teams due to Hinkie's moves. With Colanegelo on board (and his powerful relationships with agents and players) it should only add to this trajectory.