Ok. So does anyone see the hypocrisy in 76% of fans saying they wouldn't trade Marcus Smart for the Suns unprotected pick (3rd best odds)...
... while the majority of fans seem to say they wouldn't trade the Nets unprotected pick (4th best odds) for Jabari Parker or Jahlil Okafor (two prospects that would likely be seen as superior to Smart outside of a Boston-centric Forum).
I mean, ultimately it doesn't matter... since none of those trades would actually happen. It's just interesting. It's the epitome of homerism.
When you're trying to compare the value of a future assett (the pick) to flesh and blood player (Smart) there are a lot of variables I don't think you're accounting for. Trading Smart for a pick would mean the team taking a step backwards immediatley. Trading a pick for a player would, probably, have the opposite affect.
Which doesn't explain why fanbase is unwilling to move a risky pick for an elite prospect like Okafor or Jabari.
And yeah, I get it. There's always going to be an element of homerism. Smart looks improved recently. He's our backup guard. He's playing pretty well. He still might have a bright future.
Easy to overlook the faults of "our guy" while dismissing the value of arguably better prospects like Okafor/Jabari.
It is pretty funny that the majority here thinks Smart is worth more than the Suns pick... but our Brooklyn pick is worth more than either Jabari or Okafor.
Obviously, non-Celtic fans would have jabari and Okafor over smart while a Celtic forum will have Smart over Jabari and Okafor. Either way, I personally believe all three prospects are worth more than either of those unknown draft picks.
It certainly does, because neither of those two would contribute to wining now. Both are horrendous defenders and would result in this team taking a step backwards.
And you're still trying to make this 1-to-1 comparison without taking into account the inherent differences of a player versus a future assett beyond bottom line value.
We haven't seen Jabari or Okafor play on the Boston Celtics yet. We don't know how they'd play in Brad's system.
Part of the dismissal of them is a misunderstanding of who they are as prospects and players. If a fan doesn't understand how Jabari Parker could be utilized as an offensive weapon on this team, that's on the fan. And if that same fan thinks we're better off rolling the dice on a pick that is has an 88.1% chance of not being Ben Simmons, that's on them as well.
Do you post here because acting smarter than the rest of us makes you feel good?
I don't know how I can "act smarter" than anyone else. I just type stuff. If a fan thinks it's smarter than anyone else, that's on the fan.
None of us would waste time on this forum unless it entertained us in some way. We could be watching re-runs of "Melissa & Joey" on Netflix. They have all 30 episodes of Season 1 on there.
I post here for the same reason anyone else does... because it's entertaining.
Your posts are dripping with "if you don't think this you are a stupid homer" "unbiased NBA fans all know this" "only homers think this".
It gets old. Why do you think so many people so frequently reply to your comments in non positive ways?
Seems to me if the majority of a team-centric forum is inherently homeristic and someone responds with non-homeristic views, you should expect nothing less than non-positive reactions from a percentage of those homeristic fans. This is nothing new. People here use to respond negatively when I suggested Paul Pierce wasn't on LeBron's level and Rajon Rondo wasn't on Chris Paul's level. It's part of the culture of any team-centric sports forum.
I'm sure if you were to go on a Hawks forum and drop some rational thoughts about Shroeder, or a Magic forum and drop some knowledge about Aaron Gordon's weaknesses, you're going to have a large percentage of fanboys on those forums react negatively.
So I am correct.
You go revel in that negative attention
You think my only reason for admitting Paul Pierce wasn't on LeBron's level was because I liked "reveling in negative attention"?
I admitted Paul Pierce wasn't on LeBron's level, because Paul Pierce wasn't on LeBron's level. I loved Paul Pierce. I'm a Paul Pierce guy. I named my cat after Paul Pierce. Pierce wasn't on LeBron's level. Bottom line. If fans responded negatively to reality, that's on them. I'm not going to apologize for having a pro-reality stance.
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If you don't see the problem with comments like this, well, I guess it explains a lot.
10/10 for the multiple replies.
I mean, repeatably referring to Smart as "our backup point guard" is gold.
But when Noel or Okafor or DeAngelo or Randle comes of the bench, you certainly don't refer to them as bench players.
To be fair, Smart
is our backup PG.
That said, we are a #3 seed in the East with an All-Star starting PG and a very good 3+D veteran SG. That Smart hasn't been able to earn a consistent starting role as a 21 year old coming off numerous injuries is really no knock on him.
BUT that doesn't change the fact that he hasn't been able to earn that starting role since coming back from injury, which introduces two negative factors:
1) He has been often injured, which is what caused him to lose the starting spot to start with
2) He isn't a consistent enough outside shooter to take the starting SG spot away from Bradley, and that's a legit limitation of his game
I'm still high on Smart despite all this because I think has solid (not amazing, but solid) potential to develop into a good starting PG, and because I think he has the mentality of a winner.
But as rare as guys like Smart are, superstars are even rarer. Having that pick gives us a second (pretty strong) chance at getting a superstar.
I would hate to lose Smart and then bust out on both picks, but if that happened I could still live with it. But if I DIDN'T do the trade, the Celtics dropped to 6th, and the Suns pick fell top 2...then I'd be punching myself.
I think Smart is very good, but I don't think hes irreplaceable. If I had a 6 number dice in front of me, and somebody told me I could pick any two numbers on that dice...and if I get one of those numbers they would trade me Karl Anthony Towns for Smart...but if i don't get one of my numbers I have to give them Smart for nothing...I would roll the dice. Two out of six is worth the risk.