Which would you rather trade: 2018 Nets pick v. 2018-ish Grizz pick?

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2018 Nets pick = unprotected

2018 Grizz pick = protected for selections 1-12 in 2018 (conveyable if Memphis conveys a 1st round pick to Denver in 2016), 1-8 in 2019 (conveyable if Memphis has conveyed a 1st round pick to Denver by 2017) and 1-6 in 2020 (conveyable if Memphis has conveyed a 1st round pick to Denver by 2018) and unprotected in 2021.

The MEM / DEN conveyance is protected as follows:

Memphis' 1st round pick to Denver (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019

if you had to trade one, which would it be?

[rondofan1255]

I would rather trade the Grizzlies pick for sure

[saltlover]

Definitely would keep the Nets pick.  While it's possible the Grizz pick will be better, the unprotected nature of that pick, on top of the tough slog the Nets will have back to competitiveness, make it the better choice.

[wiley]

trade the Memphis pick before 2018 Brooklyn.  Despite who Brooklyn may add, they'll still fall apart if Lopez has any troubles with the bod.

[Monkhouse]

If both were unprotected, Grizzlies all day. I'm not convinced that they'll be that much better other than a possible 7th/8th seed at best, considering how much dominant players like KAT, AD, Curry; etc, will be in the future.

[Lucky17]

2018 Nets pick = unprotected

2018 Grizz pick = protected for selections 1-12 in 2018 (conveyable if Memphis conveys a 1st round pick to Denver in 2016), 1-8 in 2019 (conveyable if Memphis has conveyed a 1st round pick to Denver by 2017) and 1-6 in 2020 (conveyable if Memphis has conveyed a 1st round pick to Denver by 2018) and unprotected in 2021.

The MEM / DEN conveyance is protected as follows:

Memphis' 1st round pick to Denver (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019

if you had to trade one, which would it be?

Really no chance MEM conveys a pick this year to DEN. So the earliest Boston would get the MEM pick would be 2019, when it is top-8 protected.

Nets could very well still be rebuilding by 2018.

[slamtheking]

Keep the Nets pick.

Nets pick is unprotected and still a good probability they stink that year too (at least a non-playoff team).

Memphis doesn't become unprotected until 2021 and is contingent upon the Denver conveyance.  so many protections attached that it's unlikely it comes to us as a particularly high pick and there's also no reason to expect them to bottom out at the time we get that pick.
Memphis is likely to convey next year since they're unlikely to be bottom 5.  That leaves us looking at 2019 if they're not bottom 8 which is pretty likely. 

[wdleehi]

Keep the unprotected pick from the badly run team. 


Is this even a question?

[Moranis]

I voted for Brooklyn as I believe Brooklyn will try to be good in 2018 and Memphis is just going to get worse as the protection on the pick gets better. 

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I'm not voting yet, cuz I can't decide. The unprotected nature of the BKLN pick suggests it's the right choice. But i think it's a much tougher decision than it suggests at face value.

The MEM pick will likely convey in 2019 or 2020 (which also decreases its valuable compared to the Nets pick). I think the Grizz are going to have a very difficult time staying competitive from now through then. Randolph will be long gone. Conley will either be overpaid or leave -- neither is going to be a great move. They'll hold onto Gasol too long. They'll make middling moves to hang around the 8 seed for the next couple of seasons. And yet their rookie scale cupboard is weak, and they're pick situation is mediocre. Finally, what major FA is going to sign in Memphis? The team should be in Nashville anyway.

Bottom line: I think the Memphis pick stands an excellent chance to be a lottery pick, where the Nets pick is far more variable. They may very well find a far, far better replacement for Billy King. With tons of cap room, and a luxury tax appetite from the owner, how hard can it be for a New York based team with a brand new arena to build a playoff team -- or even a very good one -- in the next two years?

I'm ******' torn....

[max215]

I'd rather trade the Memphis Pick, but don't be mistaken, the Memphis Pick is by no means a throw in.

[slamtheking]

I voted for Brooklyn as I believe Brooklyn will try to be good in 2018 and Memphis is just going to get worse as the protection on the pick gets better. 

are you under the impression that Memphis WON'T try to be good when they owe both Denver and us future picks?  I don't follow how you think Brooklyn who sucks will get better while Memphis who's good will get worse.

food for thought: Brooklyn may want to get better but when they have
-no draft picks
-1 prime player that has an injury history under contract
-nothing to lure good FAs to play there
they may have no choice in the matter.  LA didn't want to stink either but they couldn't draw flies this past offseason so when the team long thought of here as the prime FA destination strikes out, there's no reason to expect Brooklyn to fare any better.

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I voted for Brooklyn as I believe Brooklyn will try to be good in 2018 and Memphis is just going to get worse as the protection on the pick gets better. 

are you under the impression that Memphis WON'T try to be good when they owe both Denver and us future picks?  I don't follow how you think Brooklyn who sucks will get better while Memphis who's good will get worse.

food for thought: Brooklyn may want to get better but when they have
-no draft picks
-1 prime player that has an injury history under contract
-nothing to lure good FAs to play there
they may have no choice in the matter.  LA didn't want to stink either but they couldn't draw flies this past offseason so when the team long thought of here as the prime FA destination strikes out, there's no reason to expect Brooklyn to fare any better.

if you were an NBA free agent in your 20s, where would you sign -- Memphis or New York? now, what if the owner of one of the teams told you you could bring two of your best friends, and that he'd be sure all of you would be 100% mint VIPs at every single event of note in the greatest city in the world?

the Nets stand a FAR better chance of winning a championship in the next 5-10 years than the Grizzlies.

[fubar089]

Keep the unprotected pick from the badly run team. 


Is this even a question?

[slamtheking]

I voted for Brooklyn as I believe Brooklyn will try to be good in 2018 and Memphis is just going to get worse as the protection on the pick gets better. 

are you under the impression that Memphis WON'T try to be good when they owe both Denver and us future picks?  I don't follow how you think Brooklyn who sucks will get better while Memphis who's good will get worse.

food for thought: Brooklyn may want to get better but when they have
-no draft picks
-1 prime player that has an injury history under contract
-nothing to lure good FAs to play there
they may have no choice in the matter.  LA didn't want to stink either but they couldn't draw flies this past offseason so when the team long thought of here as the prime FA destination strikes out, there's no reason to expect Brooklyn to fare any better.

if you were an NBA free agent in your 20s, where would you sign? now, what if the owner of one of the teams told you you could bring two of your best friends, and that he'd be sure all of you would be 100% mint VIPs at every single event of note in the greatest city in the world?

the Nets stand a FAR better chance of winning a championship in the next 5-10 years than the Grizzlies.

In 5-10 years?  we're talking 2018 --> 2 seasons after this.  Memphis isn't winning a title but doesn't need to do to offer a pick that turns out to be worse than Brooklyn's.

As for the side perks, didn't exactly entice Aldridge or Monroe this past offseason.  Keep in mind, those same offers could be made in LA where Hollywood and the music industry also beckons.  (not to mention better year-round weather). 
They lured Melo (or more specifically, his wife) to NY.  If any player is actually attracted to that stuff, the Knicks are the marquee team in that town, actually play in the most famous arena, have 1 top player in the league, a top rookie and will also enjoy the luxury of an increasing cap coming up.

Brooklyn doesn't scare me in terms of improving -- certainly not while we control their picks.  They very well could win a title before Memphis ever does but it won't be while we're collecting their picks.