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Re: Sullinger Questioning Brad's Substition?
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2016, 12:20:16 PM »

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One of the many reasons I dislike Sullinger. Trust your coach and do as he says. He subs you out, get off the floor and root for your team.

Re: Sullinger Questioning Brad's Substition?
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2016, 12:20:36 PM »

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Turner shooting and 1 free throw. BS decides to sub Smart for Sullinger. Sullinger seems to disagree with the substitution based on his reaction. Did I get it right?

I would've disagreed as well, taking off your best rebounder in that situation off the floor for a guard is a very questionable decision. More than questionable, surprising.

But whatever.

I'll also point out that I've been of the believe that in those free-throw situations I've found that small players seem to cause havoc in the offensive glass, and that big guys have trouble boxing them out at times. I don't know if I'd taken our best rebounder off the game in that situation to accomplish that though. I mean,he had just come off a play where he grabbed an offensive rebound and assisting on Crowder's 3-pointer.

BUT I do think that the intention was for Smart to jump on Thompson, but he got subbed out for Mozgov. Once this occurred Brad called Smart back and gave him new instructions.

Everything worked out in the end. Sully was back in the floor for the last play and provided a good screen, so all's good.

Not a fan of body language in that situation in general, but at the same time I want someone who's upset of not being there at crucial moments in the game than someone who's complacent with it, particularly when it's merely a heat of the moment reaction.

Re: Sullinger Questioning Brad's Substition?
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2016, 12:40:22 PM »

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It was to cause chaos by poking the rebound or going for the steal. Marcus did his job.

Re: Sullinger Questioning Brad's Substition?
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2016, 01:11:04 PM »

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Turner shooting and 1 free throw. BS decides to sub Smart for Sullinger. Sullinger seems to disagree with the substitution based on his reaction. Did I get it right?

Yes because Smart came in for him when we needed a rebound and Sully is by far the best rebounder on the team.

I don't think he realized that Smart was coming in (a) to foul and then (b) to be on the court if a 3 pointer was required.

I don't have a problem with that reaction.

The reaction to me looks like a complete lack of trust in his coach.

No way.  Sully is a competitor and his best skill - rebounding - was exactly what the team needed at that time.  Stevens know this too.  Nothing wrong with being p---ed in that situation.

Re: Sullinger Questioning Brad's Substition?
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2016, 01:20:03 PM »

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Quit hating OP. He questions it because be wants to be in the game. That's not a bad thing

Re: Sullinger Questioning Brad's Substition?
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2016, 01:23:34 PM »

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Smart got away with 2-3 fouls there (fine with it, offsets the LBJ factor). Not sure if they were intentional or not? I suspect no, since jumping on a dude's back seems to be the way to go these days...

In an interview with Smart after the game (I think on CSSNE, although I was switching back and forth to NBATV  and ESPN), he said he was put in to foul, but he said something weird about being told not to jump on anyone's back to do it, so when the ball was live, yah, I think he was intentionally trying to foul.

Anybody else see this interview? Maybe it will be on the re- telecast from 4-6 p.m. Today on CSSNE. I'm going to watch it again! What a finish!

Re: Sullinger Questioning Brad's Substition?
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2016, 01:26:13 PM »

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And then Smart makes a play that leads to our best victory of the season.

Sullinger got the ORB the play before and the assist on Crowder's 3 to put the game within reach.

People can't even enjoy a win without witch hunting. I'm sure Sullinger was confused he was being taken out for rebounding and defensive purposes when he's been told by Brad all year that he starts because of his rebounding and defense. There's nothing wrong with a player wanting to stay on the floor when he thinks he can help the team win.


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Re: Sullinger Questioning Brad's Substition?
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2016, 01:42:19 PM »

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Why is Sully's desire to be in at crunch time considered a bad thing?  Would it had been better if he was relieved that coach took him out with the game on the line?

It's as much of a bad thing as David Lee expressing a desire to play more.
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Re: Sullinger Questioning Brad's Substition?
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2016, 01:43:00 PM »

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Smart got away with 2-3 fouls there (fine with it, offsets the LBJ factor). Not sure if they were intentional or not? I suspect no, since jumping on a dude's back seems to be the way to go these days...

This is NOT true---I re-watched the play a few times on a 60" TV---it was actually Mozgov who got away with fouling Smart...

Mozgov went for the rebound, while grabbing Smart's right wrist with his own right hand---leaving only his left hand to grab the ball---the ball came loose--because Mozgov couldn't hold onto it with only one hand...Thus, the scramble for the ball--Off LeBron.
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Re: Sullinger Questioning Brad's Substition?
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2016, 01:51:26 PM »

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And then Smart makes a play that leads to our best victory of the season.

Sullinger got the ORB the play before and the assist on Crowder's 3 to put the game within reach.

People can't even enjoy a win without witch hunting.  I'm sure Sullinger was confused he was being taken out for rebounding and defensive purposes when he's been told by Brad all year that he starts because of his rebounding and defense. There's nothing wrong with a player wanting to stay on the floor when he thinks he can help the team win.

This.

We just got our best win of the year.  Why look for somebody to be p---ed at?

Re: Sullinger Questioning Brad's Substition?
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2016, 02:16:58 PM »

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Turner shooting and 1 free throw. BS decides to sub Smart for Sullinger. Sullinger seems to disagree with the substitution based on his reaction. Did I get it right?

I would've disagreed as well, taking off your best rebounder in that situation off the floor for a guard is a very questionable decision. More than questionable, surprising.

Down 2, with 5 seconds left, you have an 85% free throw shooter (whose also having a pretty good game) at the line shooting 1.  Your strategy is to play for the rebound?

I think most coaches are playing for the make and going for a quick steal/foul off the inbounds pass.  Not a situation I would want Sullinger in.  Crowder, Smart, Bradley, Turner, Thomas are my guys every time in that scenario.  I feel like that's a pretty basic/normal strategy here.

When the C's needed to score, and the likelihood of a miss is much greater, Sullinger was right back in there though.


You know what though, every time Sullinger questions Stevens, it seems to turn out great for the C's.  Remember this play? https://streamable.com/s1zf  I now want Sullinger questioning Stevens all the time  ;)


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Re: Sullinger Questioning Brad's Substition?
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2016, 02:31:11 PM »

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Smart is a better defender and effort guy than Sully.  It was the right call.   Hopefully, in a few weeks and trade we won't be talking about Sully and he will be in our rear mirror.

It was a bad reaction, but these guys are competitive, even outshape guys like Jared.  I think he thought he was the best guy for us at that time.   CBS ended up right, but we should not make a mountain out of a mole hill.  Sully really sees himself as a hero, big time player although he could not be more wrong.   I think he really sees himself that way.

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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2016, 02:36:24 PM »

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Smart is a better defender and effort guy than Sully.  It was the right call.   Hopefully, in a few weeks and trade we won't be talking about Sully and he will be in our rear mirror.

It was a bad reaction, but these guys are competitive, even outshape guys like Jared.  I think he thought he was the best guy for us at that time.   CBS ended up right, but we should not make a mountain out of a mole hill.  Sully really sees himself as a hero, big time player although he could not be more wrong.   I think he really sees himself that way.

I pretty much agree with all of this. TP.


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Re: Sullinger Questioning Brad's Substition?
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2016, 02:38:41 PM »

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Smart is a better defender and effort guy than Sully.  It was the right call.   Hopefully, in a few weeks and trade we won't be talking about Sully and he will be in our rear mirror.

It was a bad reaction, but these guys are competitive, even outshape guys like Jared.  I think he thought he was the best guy for us at that time.   CBS ended up right, but we should not make a mountain out of a mole hill.  Sully really sees himself as a hero, big time player although he could not be more wrong.   I think he really sees himself that way.
I pretty much have been backing you on Sully for the last two years. But we do need his rebounding and inside positioning. You have to balance out Olynyk and Zeller's softness factor somehow and right now it's Sully. Gotta deal with the bad for the good.

So unless we get a guy like Horford in return for him, we prob gotta keep him for the rest of the year.

Re: Sullinger Questioning Brad's Substition?
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2016, 02:47:42 PM »

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Turner shooting and 1 free throw. BS decides to sub Smart for Sullinger. Sullinger seems to disagree with the substitution based on his reaction. Did I get it right?

I would've disagreed as well, taking off your best rebounder in that situation off the floor for a guard is a very questionable decision. More than questionable, surprising.

Down 2, with 5 seconds left, you have an 85% free throw shooter (whose also having a pretty good game) at the line shooting 1.  Your strategy is to play for the rebound?

I think most coaches are playing for the make and going for a quick steal/foul off the inbounds pass.  Not a situation I would want Sullinger in.  Crowder, Smart, Bradley, Turner, Thomas are my guys every time in that scenario.  I feel like that's a pretty basic/normal strategy here.

When the C's needed to score, and the likelihood of a miss is much greater, Sullinger was right back in there though.


You know what though, every time Sullinger questions Stevens, it seems to turn out great for the C's.  Remember this play? https://streamable.com/s1zf  I now want Sullinger questioning Stevens all the time  ;)

Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier.  They didn't expect Turner to miss that FT.  This was done for the inbounds pass off the made bucket with plan B being to foul.


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