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Re: NBA Finally Ready To Make Rule Change On Hack-A-Player
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2016, 12:58:13 PM »

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Put the game in the hands of the players and coaches .  If they want to foul and take a chance the guy misses ...why not .....only a few players are so bad it is habit to foul them. 

We don't want to put more the of the game I. The hands of the ref than they already have . Too many gray area calls as it is. 

It will only cause more arguments and bad feelings at the end of games than the few game that Howard and Jordon and Drummond play in.

They can learn to shoot free throws like everybody else

Or the. Let's give Guys under 6 ft tall a special rule ......it's harder for them to dunk .....no one is allowed to interfer with their drives to basket and foul them INTENTIONALLY  to stop a score .

Your making up rules for giant guys who can't or wo 't practice free throws. .....and it's just a few to boot......this is the craziest thing I heard .
first off, not all giant guys who cant shoot free throws do so by choice or lack of effort. wilt chamberlain put in a LOT of time and money practicing. he stunk at it.

in this case, the problem may be the rule as they are currently written. some posters write as if rules come from above and are divine laws beyond the realm of the mundane and immutable. no. all rules in basketball are arbitrary and created by people to achieve one goal...make the game of basketball playable and entertaining. THAT is why they exist.

i posted once before about how basketball, and other sports, had to change some of their rules since some players/teams simply were too good and their abilities diminished the overall game for everyone else. (in the nba players cannot dunk their free throws. why? wilt could do it. so to accommodate those lesser players who couldnt, and to save the game, rule changes were made.)

while not the same as the above in that we are now talking about a lack of ability, the argument should really revolve around the impact of a rule on the game.

to be honest, keeping the current option to foul bad free throw shooters makes for one one ****ty viewing experience by many fans, including me. cripes, how many games in the nba today devolve into foul-and-ft endings? i, for one, dont find that entertaining. the game switches from one of speed and skill to blunt, grunt fouling followed by tedious fts.


if changing the rule makes basketball as a sport and event BETTER, then the leadership SHOULD change the rules.  the authors of the current rule did NOT intend "jumping on other players' backs" to be the result of this rule change they made years ago.

the rule was written originally by people to improve the game. but it is not doing so.

i have no trouble changing the rule to improve the game.  but be forewarned, in the future other coaches may find ways to circumvent these changes as well.
Thing is  that will still happen at end of games because it is the only shot of overcoming a small deficit with little time left. Even if the odds are low that the strategy will work out, coaches will still fouls the worst FT shooter, no matter who it is. 

Free throw shooting is a skill that all NBA players must master.  It is part of the game. The change in pace that results from the ball being dead is just what we have to live with. This is not like soccer or hockey where a free shot may only happen once in the game. Free throws are part of the game. I am opposed to this rule change.

Re: NBA Finally Ready To Make Rule Change On Hack-A-Player
« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2016, 01:08:06 PM »

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The answer is simple, and it's not, "learn to shoot."

It's called pull him out of the game.

Maybe he'll learn to shoot FTs, or maybe he won't make it in the NBA like the billions of people who weren't blessed with the same gifts of height, length, athleticism, etc.

I don't blame the coaches for invoking the strategy.  I blame the coaches who don't pull the player out as if they're taking some bold or noble stand, and their strategy is going to "beat out" the other coach's (sort of showing off that they have more power than the players, referees, and booing fans).

What kind of coach wants to stop the game from being played?  Aren't they fans too?
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Re: NBA Finally Ready To Make Rule Change On Hack-A-Player
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2016, 11:06:04 AM »

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About time.


Time for teams to learn how to play defense. 



If you foul a player away from the play, one free throw (any player on the court can take) and the ball back. 



If you want to hard foul the bad free throw player when he has the ball, great.  If it happens within the confines of the game fine. 



But make teams learn how to play defense. 




By the way, I do miss the big man play of the past. 

Re: NBA Finally Ready To Make Rule Change On Hack-A-Player
« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2016, 12:00:12 PM »

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free throw shooting is a skill that should be learned, but watching Drummond attempt 36 free throws is pretty ridiculous. Thus, maybe the rules do need an update. How about this: outside of 2 minutes, when a player is fouled off the ball, the one handling the ball shoots the free throws.

This way, we don't change the rules too much but we still avoid these crazy "5 fouls in 9 seconds" scenarios.
well then you would get a foul on JJ Redick away from the ball if Deandre Jordan grabs a rebound.
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Re: NBA Finally Ready To Make Rule Change On Hack-A-Player
« Reply #49 on: February 08, 2016, 12:12:05 PM »

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i have brought this up in the past, and it was overlooked but, why not fine the coaches for using the hack a shaq. It probably wont get rid of it, but would decrease the frequency of it. That way, the actual rules to the game do not get changed to favor bad FT shooting bigs.

Re: NBA Finally Ready To Make Rule Change On Hack-A-Player
« Reply #50 on: February 08, 2016, 12:25:02 PM »

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i have brought this up in the past, and it was overlooked but, why not fine the coaches for using the hack a shaq. It probably wont get rid of it, but would decrease the frequency of it. That way, the actual rules to the game do not get changed to favor bad FT shooting bigs.

You'd be fining them for their team making plays that are totally legal under the current rules.  Plus you'd be allowing coaches to essentially buy a competitive advantage for their teams, which would be a major conflict of interest.  Most importantly you'd have to write a new rule detailing exactly what's considered impermissible, and in that case, why not just change the original rule?

Re: NBA Finally Ready To Make Rule Change On Hack-A-Player
« Reply #51 on: February 16, 2016, 05:23:37 PM »

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It was fun while it lasted:

http://official.nba.com/nba-memo-jumping-on-back-during-free-throws/



MEMO TO:   NBA OWNERS, GENERAL MANAGERS, COACHES, AND GAME OFFICIALS
    
FROM:   KIKI VANDEWEGHE, EVP, BASKETBALL OPERATIONS
    MIKE BANTOM, EVP, REFEREE OPERATIONS
    
DATE:   FEBRUARY 16, 2016
    
RE:   JUMPING ON A PLAYER’S BACK DURING FREE THROW ATTEMPTS
 

We have recently seen instances during games in which a player, in order to commit a deliberate foul, jumps on an opponent’s back during a free throw attempt.  This is a potentially dangerous play against a player in a vulnerable position.

Please be advised that the referees have been instructed to evaluate such plays under all applicable playing rules, including the rules relating to Flagrant Fouls.  Players remain free to commit deliberate fouls during free throw attempts, but such fouls will be assessed as Flagrant if they meet the applicable criteria.  (See this memo of October 26 for the factors used in determining and classifying Flagrant Fouls.)

Please contact either of us if you have any questions.

Re: NBA Finally Ready To Make Rule Change On Hack-A-Player
« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2016, 05:25:49 PM »

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It was fun while it lasted:

http://official.nba.com/nba-memo-jumping-on-back-during-free-throws/



MEMO TO:   NBA OWNERS, GENERAL MANAGERS, COACHES, AND GAME OFFICIALS
    
FROM:   KIKI VANDEWEGHE, EVP, BASKETBALL OPERATIONS
    MIKE BANTOM, EVP, REFEREE OPERATIONS
    
DATE:   FEBRUARY 16, 2016
    
RE:   JUMPING ON A PLAYER’S BACK DURING FREE THROW ATTEMPTS
 

We have recently seen instances during games in which a player, in order to commit a deliberate foul, jumps on an opponent’s back during a free throw attempt.  This is a potentially dangerous play against a player in a vulnerable position.

Please be advised that the referees have been instructed to evaluate such plays under all applicable playing rules, including the rules relating to Flagrant Fouls.  Players remain free to commit deliberate fouls during free throw attempts, but such fouls will be assessed as Flagrant if they meet the applicable criteria.  (See this memo of October 26 for the factors used in determining and classifying Flagrant Fouls.)

Please contact either of us if you have any questions.


Eh, sounds like they're just clamping down on the excessive contact.  Jumping on a guy's back deliberately shouldn't be happening.  You can still hold the guy like crazy, maybe tell the ref in advance you're going to do it, and it's still not an away-from-the-play foul.