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Re: Price signs with the Red Sox
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2015, 06:18:47 PM »

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Why not?   The Red Sox and a few other teams have such an advantage over other teams (talk about an "integrity of the game" issue) that they may as well pay anything they can to get a top player.  They have NOTHING to lose.  They are able to make huge mistakes (have done so repeatedly) and not have to worry about long-term implications.   

Baseball is a joke.   8 months (and counting) questioning the integrity of the NFL over 1 psi in a football compared with being able to field a team with a 250M payroll against teams that can't afford any mistakes and have 50M budgets.   No integrity or fairness.  Kansas City's excellence notwithstanding, the process is rigged way too much in favor of teams with big pockets.

Re: Price signs with the Red Sox
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2015, 06:20:13 PM »

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Why not?   The Red Sox and a few other teams have such an advantage over other teams (talk about an "integrity of the game" issue) that they may as well pay anything they can to get a top player.  They have NOTHING to lose.  They are able to make huge mistakes (have done so repeatedly) and not have to worry about long-term implications.   

Baseball is a joke.   8 months (and counting) questioning the integrity of the NFL over 1 psi in a football compared with being able to field a team with a 250M payroll against teams that can't afford any mistakes and have 50M budgets.   No integrity or fairness.  Kansas City's excellence notwithstanding, the process is rigged way too much in favor of teams with big pockets.

Not to get too political, but I see a lot about baseball truly being America's game and being quite a metaphor for the country itself. 

Re: Price signs with the Red Sox
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2015, 06:42:02 PM »

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Why not?   The Red Sox and a few other teams have such an advantage over other teams (talk about an "integrity of the game" issue) that they may as well pay anything they can to get a top player.  They have NOTHING to lose.  They are able to make huge mistakes (have done so repeatedly) and not have to worry about long-term implications.   

Baseball is a joke.   8 months (and counting) questioning the integrity of the NFL over 1 psi in a football compared with being able to field a team with a 250M payroll against teams that can't afford any mistakes and have 50M budgets.   No integrity or fairness.  Kansas City's excellence notwithstanding, the process is rigged way too much in favor of teams with big pockets.

Not to get too political, but I see a lot about baseball truly being America's game and being quite a metaphor for the country itself.

Interesting point.

Also -- isn't it kind of funny that most of our sports leagues operate on seemingly socialistic principles (salary caps, the worst teams get the best draft selections), while the biggest European sports leagues feature much more open player movement and acquisition rules, and relegate weaker teams?


As for money in baseball, it seems like it helps teams overcome mistakes, meaning the bigger market teams have a greater margin for error.  It also allows them to sustain success once they put together a good team.

Nonetheless, plenty of smaller market teams win a lot of games and even go all the way.  Kansas City and St. Louis aren't exactly huge markets.  San Francisco has been hugely successful, as well, despite having a relatively modest payroll.
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Re: Price signs with the Red Sox
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2015, 06:48:53 PM »

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Awesome. The owners finally grew a pair. I love this signing.

Wonder if Big Papi and Price still got beef tho.

Re: Price signs with the Red Sox
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2015, 06:53:19 PM »

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Wonder if Big Papi and Price still got beef tho.

I have a feeling they'll sit down, have a long conversation about all of the money they're both making, smile, and let bygones be bygones.
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2015, 07:06:50 PM »

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American sports show how important it is to have a well run organization. NBA teams like the Nets, Kings etc. are in such a quandry seemingly with no way out just because of poor management and a lack of consistency, but some teams in the MLB that have 1/3 of the financial resources of their opponents can manage to compete most years.

If you are run with no consistency in anything you do (like the Red Sox) it definitely helps to have money though.
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Re: Price signs with the Red Sox
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2015, 07:13:21 PM »

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Wonder if Big Papi and Price still got beef tho.

I have a feeling they'll sit down, have a long conversation about all of the money they're both making, smile, and let bygones be bygones.

yup. They will sit down on a private jet ride to vegas, arms around two supermodels each, sipping some fine cognac and hashing things out

Re: Price signs with the Red Sox
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2015, 07:14:36 PM »

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Donbrowski. Why not go all the way and also sign Greinke to a 25 million dollars a year for 5 years contract.

Who can stop the Sox then??

I like our team defense and offense  did a good job 2nd half of the 2nd half

Re: Price signs with the Red Sox
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2015, 07:16:37 PM »

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Why not?   The Red Sox and a few other teams have such an advantage over other teams (talk about an "integrity of the game" issue) that they may as well pay anything they can to get a top player.  They have NOTHING to lose.  They are able to make huge mistakes (have done so repeatedly) and not have to worry about long-term implications.   

Baseball is a joke.   8 months (and counting) questioning the integrity of the NFL over 1 psi in a football compared with being able to field a team with a 250M payroll against teams that can't afford any mistakes and have 50M budgets.   No integrity or fairness.  Kansas City's excellence notwithstanding, the process is rigged way too much in favor of teams with big pockets.

Not to get too political, but I see a lot about baseball truly being America's game and being quite a metaphor for the country itself.

Interesting point.

Also -- isn't it kind of funny that most of our sports leagues operate on seemingly socialistic principles (salary caps, the worst teams get the best draft selections), while the biggest European sports leagues feature much more open player movement and acquisition rules, and relegate weaker teams?


As for money in baseball, it seems like it helps teams overcome mistakes, meaning the bigger market teams have a greater margin for error.  It also allows them to sustain success once they put together a good team.

Nonetheless, plenty of smaller market teams win a lot of games and even go all the way.  Kansas City and St. Louis aren't exactly huge markets.  San Francisco has been hugely successful, as well, despite having a relatively modest payroll.

Of course smaller market teams can do well.  If you disadvantage a group of people there will always be some who succeed despite the disadvantage.  That isn't justification for maintaining the disadvantage (I know you weren't suggesting that). 

Re: Price signs with the Red Sox
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2015, 07:47:12 PM »

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Why not?   The Red Sox and a few other teams have such an advantage over other teams (talk about an "integrity of the game" issue) that they may as well pay anything they can to get a top player.  They have NOTHING to lose.  They are able to make huge mistakes (have done so repeatedly) and not have to worry about long-term implications.   

Baseball is a joke.   8 months (and counting) questioning the integrity of the NFL over 1 psi in a football compared with being able to field a team with a 250M payroll against teams that can't afford any mistakes and have 50M budgets.   No integrity or fairness.  Kansas City's excellence notwithstanding, the process is rigged way too much in favor of teams with big pockets.

Not to get too political, but I see a lot about baseball truly being America's game and being quite a metaphor for the country itself.

Interesting point.

Also -- isn't it kind of funny that most of our sports leagues operate on seemingly socialistic principles (salary caps, the worst teams get the best draft selections), while the biggest European sports leagues feature much more open player movement and acquisition rules, and relegate weaker teams?


As for money in baseball, it seems like it helps teams overcome mistakes, meaning the bigger market teams have a greater margin for error.  It also allows them to sustain success once they put together a good team.

Nonetheless, plenty of smaller market teams win a lot of games and even go all the way.  Kansas City and St. Louis aren't exactly huge markets.  San Francisco has been hugely successful, as well, despite having a relatively modest payroll.

Of course smaller market teams can do well.  If you disadvantage a group of people there will always be some who succeed despite the disadvantage.  That isn't justification for maintaining the disadvantage (I know you weren't suggesting that).

it should be noted that baseball does have some revenue-sharing, and, more importantly, baseball's salary system is a LOT different than other sports. in baseball, teams control young players for many years on low-value deals, and they usually only get the mega-contracts when they're in their late twenties, a time when they're more prone to career-ending injuries or decline. compare that to the NBA, where guys are getting max contracts at age 23.

financially-weak teams benefit greatly from this system, as they can rely on young, cheap talent, and they are usually compensated with a high draft pick when their stars leave for the aforementioned mega-contracts.

this also means the 30+ year-old free-agents get way more money than they should, simply because the young players are getting hosed, leaving lots of cash floating around. so the red sox/dodgers/yankees etc do have the capability of signing those players, but only at hugely inflated prices.

in contrast, in the NBA, the stars should arguably be making MORE than what they are (i'd bet lebron would command $60M in the open market today). same with elite NFL QB's (especially if they're taking a big discount like tom brady). this makes it all the more essential to make one's given NBA market as enticing as possible, as you're getting better value for an elite star than what you're actually paying.
 
in short, while it is indeed tougher for small-market teams, they do have some ways they can succeed. and i'd much rather be a poor team in baseball than a poor person in america ;)

Re: Price signs with the Red Sox
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2015, 07:52:11 PM »

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Redsox rotation for next season should be

Price
Erod
Porcello
Owens
Kelly

Middle relief/fill in starters

Miley
Wright


Re: Price signs with the Red Sox
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2015, 08:21:09 PM »

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Fantastic. We spent $31 million a season for an aging pitcher who doesn't want to be here. In the meanwhile, the guy who is arguably just as good, more clutch, cheaper, and wanted to pitch in Boston is with the Cubs.
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Re: Price signs with the Red Sox
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2015, 08:25:19 PM »

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Fantastic. We spent $31 million a season for an aging pitcher who doesn't want to be here. In the meanwhile, the guy who is arguably just as good, more clutch, cheaper, and wanted to pitch in Boston is with the Cubs.

I think the Price deal will end up being good and feel in the position they were in it was a move that needed to be made. But you're absolutely right about Lester in general which is one of the many reasons Lucchino and Cherington deserved to be ousted.

Re: Price signs with the Red Sox
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2015, 08:27:30 PM »

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Fantastic. We spent $31 million a season for an aging pitcher who doesn't want to be here. In the meanwhile, the guy who is arguably just as good, more clutch, cheaper, and wanted to pitch in Boston is with the Cubs.

Price is better and younger.

The Sox got one of the best pitchers in the league locked up long term.

I'm not worried about it.

If DD can find a way to get rid of Hanley and Sandoval without giving up any significant prospects, the Sox will be in great shape.


You gotta respect what DD has done so far -- he said his objectives were to get a 4th outfielder, a closer, and an ace.  He's done exactly that, and it's December 1st.
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Re: Price signs with the Red Sox
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2015, 08:46:52 PM »

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Price is better and younger.
... and signed for 7 years. They will be the same age when their current contracts expire, and there's a good chance that Lester would have taken something like 5, 125 if the Sox hadn't botched the initial negotiation. Instead, they gave this money to Porcello and we all know how that one is working out so far :)
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