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Re: NBA Season 2015-2016
« Reply #555 on: November 29, 2015, 05:59:19 PM »

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The Rondo haters have gotten quiet.

I still hate the way he quit on the Celtics.  No surprise he is getting triple doubles again, he cares very deeply about his stats.

And winning.

Re: NBA Season 2015-2016
« Reply #556 on: November 29, 2015, 06:02:30 PM »

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The Rondo haters have gotten quiet.

He definitely has to be in the right situation. I don't think our team or Dallas was a good situation for him, but Karl is letting him run the offense to his strengths.
There was never Rondo haters... there were just people like me who loved him, but were adamant he was overrated by folks here who consistently wanted to compare him to superior players like Chris Paul.   They key reasons:

 - Incapable of playing without the ball, because he was a horrible shooter... so the ball had to be in his hands at all times to be successful.  This inflated his stats

- Often played inflated minutes which inflated his stats

- Needed to be surrounded with players that had a specific skill set for him to be successful. 

- Dogged it on defense

- There were three years of evidence that the team played better when he sat

- Likely could replace him with a better shooter/weaker passer and see improvements... which is why I wanted to trade him for Steph Curry back in 2012 when Steph was injury prone player averaging 14.7 points on 49%/46%/81% shooting in the shadow of Monta Ellis... and got buried for it, because "Steph Curry sucked on defense" and "Rajon Rondo is a better pure point guard"... I loved the idea of adding young Steph next to Ray Allen in the back-court.  I didn't care about his lack of assists... I just figured you'd run the ball through Pierce/KG and spacing would improve. 

Anyways, Rondo wasn't able to play in a pace-and-space offense.  I predicted his demise in Dallas.  There was no way that could work, because they weren't going to change their entire offense (which was #1 in the league at the time of the trade) to let Rondo control the ball 99% of the time... and Rondo was a liability when he didn't have the basketball in his hands.  You can't have someone who destroys spacing be the point guard in a pace-and-space offense.

I said this offseason that he was still capable of generating big stats if a team was willing to give him the keys to offense.  It wasn't likely to result in wins, but he'd get his boatloads of assists.  Also, his per-minute stats last season in Boston were the highest of his career in terms of assists and rebounds... it wasn't like he lost the ability to play basketball.  He just couldn't play on a modern offense. 

So he's in Sac... his minutes are the highest they've been since 2012-13, he's had the keys to the offense, he's put up huge stats... and his team is 6-12.   Makes sense.   Maybe they'll get it together.  Rondo will be remembered as a poor man's Jason Kidd.  If he develops a consistent 3-point shot, he might eventually find a home contributing to a winner.  To his credit, he's shot 36% from three this year.

The reason why Sac is struggling is because of injuries especially towards Demarcus Cousins  also Rondo is named the bright spot by fans and players on the team. Steph had major ankle injuries back then and it was a question whether he last long in the NBA. What evidence that a team played better when Rondo was out? The 2013 season when the Celtics had an easy schedule? Last year? When the Celtics acquired Isaiah Thomas? And I don't think you've seen the Rondo detractors when he was with the Celtics.
There was 3 years of evidence that Boston played better without Rondo.  I think the first whiff of it was when he was having arguably his best statistical season ever chasing the assist record, the team was below .500 when he got injured, and then Pierce and KG carried them to the playoffs without him.  There were pockets of evidence following that.  The year we tanked, we were something like 3-27 in games Rondo played... he was our secret weapon to tanking.    Last year, the team was below .500, they lose Rondo and go on a run.  He joins the top-ranked offense in Dallas and they fall apart with him.   Plenty of evidence that he's a empty stats guy.

And yeah, some people were worried about Steph's ankles.  My argument at the time was simple... I remembered when Seattle traded Gary Payton for Ray Allen and Seattle fans had a panic attack about Ray's "glass ankles" that were supposedly being held together by screws.  It seemed like history repeating itself.   Man, I still day dream about what it would have been like to swap Rondo for Steph.  Supposedly Ainge actually tried doing that, but Golden State turned him down.

Did you read what I wrote? The 2013 Celtics had a easy schedule which they barely hit .500 and the 2014 Celtics were declining even before Rondo came back and Dallas was on red hot streak that was bound to simmer. Curry was a huge risk at the time so of course people would hesitate to pull the trigger.

Re: NBA Season 2015-2016
« Reply #557 on: November 29, 2015, 06:52:15 PM »

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Lol empty stats. I guess rebounding is so easy that anyone could grab them right? Same with being on the all defense teams 4 times?

Re: NBA Season 2015-2016
« Reply #558 on: November 29, 2015, 07:04:10 PM »

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Lol empty stats. I guess rebounding is so easy that anyone could grab them right? Same with being on the all defense teams 4 times?

But I thought Rajon Rondo did not play defense..............

Re: NBA Season 2015-2016
« Reply #559 on: November 30, 2015, 11:03:44 PM »

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Jazz up 3 on Golden St with about 6 minutes left.  Could be the one that gets em.

Re: NBA Season 2015-2016
« Reply #560 on: November 30, 2015, 11:05:08 PM »

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Haha Carlisle is employing Hack-a-Rondo lol Oh the irony!

By the way, I know we should be rooting for a Mavs loss, but I'm still hoping for the Kings to lose so many games that Boogie causes a stink and demands a trade.

Re: NBA Season 2015-2016
« Reply #561 on: November 30, 2015, 11:22:10 PM »

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Rick Carlisle discusses Rajon Rondo's poor fit with Mavericks
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14251858/dallas-mavericks-coach-rick-carlisle-says-no-regrets-rajon-rondo-tenure
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"With everything that happened with that whole situation, the bottom line is we fit him worse than he fit us. We were a worse fit for him than he was for us. We had a team of slashers last year. He needs shooters.

"Now he's got a center that's a shooter, he's got wing players that can all shoot the ball, and George has given him the keys to the ignition. He'll be great in that situation. We didn't have enough shooters around him."

Class move (finally) by Coach Carlylse to talk about Rondo....especially after he's been tossed under the bus, rolled over several times, had a DAL fanmade video made of him, not paid his playoff stipend by Cuban....basically blamed for DAL shortcomings last year....

Getting this out of Carlysle must have been akin to pulling teeth.

...but hey Rondo is getting paid millions to have thick skin. So it's all good..............right?

Truly happy for him where he's at and I wish the very best for him, Boogie, Gay and Coach Karl. He's a Celtic Great and is making a name for himself in SAC.

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Re: NBA Season 2015-2016
« Reply #562 on: November 30, 2015, 11:22:15 PM »

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Jazz down 1 with the ball, 16 seconds left.  Pretty exciting for a November game.

Re: NBA Season 2015-2016
« Reply #563 on: November 30, 2015, 11:23:13 PM »

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Jazz down 1 with the ball, 16 seconds left.  Pretty exciting for a November game.

Warriors too good. Curry is just unbelievable.

Re: NBA Season 2015-2016
« Reply #564 on: November 30, 2015, 11:27:00 PM »

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Jazz down 1 with the ball, 16 seconds left.  Pretty exciting for a November game.

Warriors too good. Curry is just unbelievable.

Curry had a couple of clutch 3s down the stretch.  He and Draymond make a great tandem, with about half a dozen excellent role players around them, of course.

Re: NBA Season 2015-2016
« Reply #565 on: November 30, 2015, 11:35:15 PM »

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Missed the game, but it looks like Ian Clark (Belmont) hit 4 threes in just 6 minutes. That must've been fun to see.
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Re: NBA Season 2015-2016
« Reply #566 on: November 30, 2015, 11:36:16 PM »

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Jazz down 1 with the ball, 16 seconds left.  Pretty exciting for a November game.

Shot selection with 8 seconds left was unbelievably poor.
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Re: NBA Season 2015-2016
« Reply #567 on: December 01, 2015, 05:42:31 PM »

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If the Lakers lose to Philly, I'm calling the cops! You can't out suck them, they even manage to lose games that are already in the bag, no way you lose to them when they fold like a paper bag in every game when it's winning time!
It takes me 3hrs to get to Miami and 1hr to get to Orlando... but I *SPIT* on their NBA teams! "Bless God and bless the (Celts)"-Lady GaGa (she said gays but she really meant Celts)

Re: NBA Season 2015-2016
« Reply #568 on: December 01, 2015, 07:34:18 PM »

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Who are we wanting to win tonight between LAL and Philly? I'd like to see the Sixers continue to break records for their futility, and every LA win potentially brings them closer to the Nets. Thus, I think I have to want the Lakers to win tonight, along with the Suns!

Re: NBA Season 2015-2016
« Reply #569 on: December 01, 2015, 07:43:24 PM »

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It's bizarre -- watching this LA vs PHI game, you get the sense the crowd is actually surprised when Kobe's shots go in.

Imagine that.  Once upon a time, it seemed like every shot Kobe took was going to go in.
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