We do NOT need Evan Turner on this team any more. He will NOT be re-signed by us IF we keep him for the entire year!!
Why does it matter if he is re-signed or not?
The fact is that our most shallow positions right now are SG and SF, and those are Turners primary positions.
With Smart almost certain to start at PG (with Thomas as his backup) that really only one proven player who can back up Bradley at the SG spot - Turner. The only other option is to put your faith in unproven rookies (Rozier, Hunter, Young) and that's a very big gamble for a team that's going into the season with the aim of making the playoffs.
We need Turner's skills more than you think this year, and he costs us barely anything. There is no point at all in letting him go unless it's in a trade that brings us an upgrade at either the backup SG or starting SF spot - and this trade achieves neither.
Sully is lazy and unmotivated and I am ready for him to become someone else's problem child!!
I agree.
But he still has talent, and he still has the skills to be an All-Star (or borderline one) if he gets his head in check and his body in shape.
I have my question marks on whether that will ever happen, but fact is the potential is there...and as long as there is potential there is value.
Sully won't get us a star, but he could get us a nice piece that could help us right now. Cody Zeller won't do that because he won't even earn playing time on a front-court as deep as ours. yet he doesn't really have much upside or trade value, so he won't help us much in the future either.
Just not a move that makes much sense.
Also, Cody is 5th in defensive RPM and Sully is 51st. But, according to many of you guys, Sully is by FAR the superior player!!!
Did I mention that Sully shot 43.9% from the floor and that Cody shot 46.1% last year??
Interesting that you would bring up FG% to try to suggest Sully is an inferior offensive player.
Some numbers that may help indicate which of these guys is a better offensive player:
1) 88% of all Cody Zeller's field goal attempts came from either inside 3 feet (51% of all attempts, on 57% shooting) and on long two's outside 16 feet (37% of all attempts, on 35% shooting). Sully for his career has never shot below 59.9% inside 3 feet, or below 36% on long two's outside 16 feet.
2) Cody Zeller shot only 46% on 2PT field goals, which is absolutely horrible for a 7 footer. By comparison Jared Sullinger shot 49% on 2PT field goals.
3) Cody Zeller's has absolutely no offensive game aside from shots right at the basket, and long two's. Only 12% of his field goal attempts came from 3ft-10ft, 10ft-16ft and from 3pt
combined. Sully shot no less than 11% of his attempts and no more than 27% of his attempts from any one spot on the floor, so he has a far more balanced offensive game. He is capable of scoring from a variety of spots on the floor and in a variety of ways - this makes him a more dangerous offensive threat.
4) Sully had a higher assist-per-turnover ratio
5) Zeller averaged 2.3 OREB Per-36 while Sully average 3.4 OREB Per-36
Looking at their offensive stats across the board, there was really only one area where Zeller was substantially better and that was Free Throw Rate. CZ had a 44% FTR compared to a woeful 18% FTR for Sully.
That sounds great in theory, but in practice Zeller made 3.1 Free Throws Per 36 while Sully made 2.2 Free Throws Per-36. That's not even one extra free throw made per game.
So as superior as CZ may look defensively (and I'm sure he is), Sully is far superior offensively. Pick your poison. I feel this team is going to be excellent defensively as it is this year, so I think we need the offense more than the defense.
I wouldn't trade either of those two guys (Sully or Turner) for Cody Zeller straight up, so definitely wouldn't trade both.
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