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By the way, record is now 14-40, T3.
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From ESPN, who has done an "analysis" of every team's likelihood to make trades and who the targets are.

All I can say is, looking at this list, it's like somebody dropped the assignment on the author's desk and said, "Here, come up with something. I need it done in 15 minutes."

Smart, Lee, Zeller and a pick for Lopez? Yeah, right. Whiteside and Winslow for Lopez? I know Miami would like to get rid of Whiteside, but seriously...

The only one that looks at all realistic is Toronto.

And I'd be thrilled if they traded Young for a non-lottery pick.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14727220/brooklyn-nets-top-trade-targets-assets-nba

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Four trades that can (sort of) save the Brooklyn Nets

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Trade targets: All 30 teams

Brooklyn Nets

Record: 14-39
14th place in East

Status: Sellers


This is, to paraphrase the captain of the Titanic, kind of a mess.

The Nets don't have a lot with which to barter. Also, they might not really have a barterer, with the front office currently run by interim GM Frank Zanin.

That said, at least two current Nets could be difference-makers for teams trying to win now, or even for rebuilding teams. Brook Lopez and Thaddeus Young are still just 27, have been key players for winning teams in the past and could be again.

Potential trade targets


Greg Monroe and Michael Carter-Williams
Brooklyn's best hope to bring back a package of talent is to move Lopez. If Milwaukee's Jason Kidd thinks fondly of his former center, the Bucks could send two players who might not fit their long-range plan.

Alas, if the Bucks do want to mix things up, they'd probably want a long-term point guard in return. The Nets do not have such a player.

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Marcus Smart
The Celtics aren't going to return the Nets' 2016 first-rounder they own, but they have plenty of other picks to dangle. Lopez would go to Boston for Smart (ideally), a pick and maybe Tyler Zeller. David Lee would also go to Brooklyn to make the salaries work.

The Celtics have so little long-term money tied up that they could take on Lopez without pinching their long-term flexibility much at all.

And then there's this: Dealing Lopez could push the Nets' to the league's worst record, which would be of particular interest to Boston.

Hassan Whiteside
The Heat need shooting and the Nets don't have much of that, which complicates things. Brooklyn needs young pieces, which Miami lacks beyond Justise Winslow.

Is a deal built around Lopez for Whiteside and Winslow a non-starter? If Miami had some draft picks to include, maybe not. But they don't.

Patrick Patterson
Here's a Young-based notion. The Raptors have great chemistry going but the 4 is one spot they could upgrade and Young fits. The Nets could take on Patterson, a pick and one or more prospects from Toronto's developing quartet of Bruno Caboclo, Lucas Nogueira, Delon Wright and Norman Powell.


The Nets might be able to flip Thaddeus Young to a good team for a young piece. Anthony Gruppuso/USA TODAY Sports
Most trade value

1. Brook Lopez
Lopez's contract is appropriate for his production and most teams around the league would love to have his numbers in the middle. But when you combine the length of his contract with his injury risk, some potential trade partners will be scared away.

2. Thaddeus Young
Young fits on a good team, but it's just not clear where and for whom. He's a solid scorer who lacks 3-point range and is a tweener defensively. And his contract doesn't work as a bench player for most contenders.

3. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
Hollis-Jefferson looked like a plus defender before he was injured. He's the kind of upside player the Nets need in bulk, and it's unlikely they'd trade their best young piece.

4. Thomas Robinson
Does a team need an offensive rebound specialist for a second-round pick? This isn't sexy, but this is how thin Brooklyn the roster is.

5. Chris McCullough
McCullough finally made his NBA debut in early February after missing more than half his rookie season with injury. Teams will likely want to see him play a little more before trying to trade for him, as the injured rookie wasn't a dead-cinch first-rounder last June anyway.

Most valuable draft pick

2020 first-rounder
While this pick won't manifest for quite a while, there's a decent chance the Nets will still stink by then, so it might have a lot of value.

Toughest contract to trade

Joe Johnson
It was unlikely a team would bite on Johnson's $24.9 million expiring deal anyway, but with rumblings that he might be willing to take a buyout, there's little chance he will be dealt at this point .After a slow start he's played well lately.

Player most likely to be traded

Thaddeus Young
Maybe you can get a non-lottery first rounder for him, and the Nets need whatever future pieces they can get.

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the one part of that article I agree with:

Most valuable draft pick

2020 first-rounder
While this pick won't manifest for quite a while, there's a decent chance the Nets will still stink by then, so it might have a lot of value.


all the worry over the Nets improving enough to make their 2017 and 2018 picks a low value really should rethink that position.  Nets aren't climbing much in the standing any time soon.

no realistic trade assets that someone will overpay for, no draft picks to acquire cheap young talent, not a realistic FA destination when players will be attracted much better teams that will also have a lot of cap room when Brooklyn does. 

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the one part of that article I agree with:

Most valuable draft pick

2020 first-rounder
While this pick won't manifest for quite a while, there's a decent chance the Nets will still stink by then, so it might have a lot of value.


all the worry over the Nets improving enough to make their 2017 and 2018 picks a low value really should rethink that position.  Nets aren't climbing much in the standing any time soon.

no realistic trade assets that someone will overpay for, no draft picks to acquire cheap young talent, not a realistic FA destination when players will be attracted much better teams that will also have a lot of cap room when Brooklyn does.

But on the plus side, they have a great new training facility!

Mike

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the one part of that article I agree with:

Most valuable draft pick

2020 first-rounder
While this pick won't manifest for quite a while, there's a decent chance the Nets will still stink by then, so it might have a lot of value.


all the worry over the Nets improving enough to make their 2017 and 2018 picks a low value really should rethink that position.  Nets aren't climbing much in the standing any time soon.

no realistic trade assets that someone will overpay for, no draft picks to acquire cheap young talent, not a realistic FA destination when players will be attracted much better teams that will also have a lot of cap room when Brooklyn does.

But on the plus side, they have a great new training facility!

Mike
well they do have THAT going for them. 

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the one part of that article I agree with:

Most valuable draft pick

2020 first-rounder
While this pick won't manifest for quite a while, there's a decent chance the Nets will still stink by then, so it might have a lot of value.


all the worry over the Nets improving enough to make their 2017 and 2018 picks a low value really should rethink that position.  Nets aren't climbing much in the standing any time soon.

no realistic trade assets that someone will overpay for, no draft picks to acquire cheap young talent, not a realistic FA destination when players will be attracted much better teams that will also have a lot of cap room when Brooklyn does.

I do agree that they'll have a tough time, they'll stay in the lottery. But some think it'll be another two top 3 picks and I just don't see that. A couple of overpsys on young guys should boost their wins by 5 games or so, devalues the draft pick to 8-10. Still pretty nice though!

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even with a few overpays, they aren't catching 4-6 teams above them

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From NetsDaily: basically, Bogdanovic is saying that he doesn't see the Nets hiring a GM this season and it really bothers him.

http://www.netsdaily.com/2016/2/14/10989884/bojan-bogdanovic-wants-quick-resolution-of-gm-coach-search

Considering he's what...the 4th best player on that team?...it's great news to hear how disgruntled he is.  It's also funny that people on here are scared of a team winning a lot of games where you don't know if RHJ, Bogdanovic or Joe Johnson is the 3rd best player and you see legitimate arguments for each.

Anyway, here is the best part of the article:

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"You don’t know who is in charge," he told Kerber. "Honestly we have to wait for the summer to get a GM. "Are they going to hire a new one or new coach or will Tony stay? Then they’ll make new moves. But until summer, there’s nothing clear.

"We have many young, good players but no one knows who will stay or be traded.".

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even with a few overpays, they aren't catching 4-6 teams above them

From either conference? generally each year there's one team from each conference that goes tank mode, this year the Lakers and Sixers. It's fair to say there will be two next year as well. Then in the West we have Phoenix, Minnesota, Portland, Denver and possibly even Memphis (depending on Conley) who could all struggle. They won't all struggle but it only takes one or two. In the East the same can be said for Charlotte and the Hawks (only in the case that they rebuild, debatable)

i don't know, I hope they are that bad, I guess I don't want to assume it because this is the NBA and things can turn in an instant.

In my head, the worst case realistic scenario is Scott Brooks as Head coach, Jennings signs (or worse Mike Conley >_<), Gordon/Afflalo sign and they manage to have a half decent bench.

Their biggest issue this year is their lack of depth. Lopez, Young, Johnson and RHJ all have positive ORtgs. It's the fact that they have to get subbed out at some points that hurts them. Give them some depth and they aren't mentioned in the same breath as the Lakers and 76ers.

People use the argument that everyone will have cap space so why would people join the Nets.
1) Well one reason will be that they are a great destination for a PG wanting to re-establish value

2) With Lopez down low I imagine they are quite appealing for a shooter like Gordon as well

3)Finally a good reason is that they can sign guys to overpaid 2 year deals, keep interest in the team up and wait until they control their future before taking the step to rebuild, hopefully all the while gaining assets and selling on them high. And if they falter in that attempt they are no worse off than when they started

Call me a pessimist but I think our 2016 pick will be far and away our best pick from the Nets

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even with a few overpays, they aren't catching 4-6 teams above them

From either conference? generally each year there's one team from each conference that goes tank mode, this year the Lakers and Sixers. It's fair to say there will be two next year as well. Then in the West we have Phoenix, Minnesota, Portland, Denver and possibly even Memphis (depending on Conley) who could all struggle. They won't all struggle but it only takes one or two. In the East the same can be said for Charlotte and the Hawks (only in the case that they rebuild, debatable)

i don't know, I hope they are that bad, I guess I don't want to assume it because this is the NBA and things can turn in an instant.

In my head, the worst case realistic scenario is Scott Brooks as Head coach, Jennings signs (or worse Mike Conley >_<), Gordon/Afflalo sign and they manage to have a half decent bench.

Their biggest issue this year is their lack of depth. Lopez, Young, Johnson and RHJ all have positive ORtgs. It's the fact that they have to get subbed out at some points that hurts them. Give them some depth and they aren't mentioned in the same breath as the Lakers and 76ers.

People use the argument that everyone will have cap space so why would people join the Nets.
1) Well one reason will be that they are a great destination for a PG wanting to re-establish value

2) With Lopez down low I imagine they are quite appealing for a shooter like Gordon as well

3)Finally a good reason is that they can sign guys to overpaid 2 year deals, keep interest in the team up and wait until they control their future before taking the step to rebuild, hopefully all the while gaining assets and selling on them high. And if they falter in that attempt they are no worse off than when they started

Call me a pessimist but I think our 2016 pick will be far and away our best pick from the Nets

I'm sorry, i did something I thought I'd never do, i rushed and thought you were talking about this year.  I agree with you

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Was just going over the Nets 2nd half schedule once again, and there seem to be many games they could win other than the Suns/76ers games (e.g. Knicks, Charlotte, Magic, etc.)... let's hope they trade off Brook Lopez and Thaddeus Young for picks and that Joe Johnson gets bought out - this is the dream best case scenario!

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If they buyout Joe/Bargs and/or trade T Young/Bogdanović before the deadline for picks and simple fillers then we are for sure in top 4 of the 2016 draft. That notion alone makes this pick even more valuable. Let's hope the Nets do something like that. They are out of the Playoff race so they might put Lopez on the bench for the last 20 or something games...


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even with a few overpays, they aren't catching 4-6 teams above them

From either conference? generally each year there's one team from each conference that goes tank mode, this year the Lakers and Sixers. It's fair to say there will be two next year as well. Then in the West we have Phoenix, Minnesota, Portland, Denver and possibly even Memphis (depending on Conley) who could all struggle. They won't all struggle but it only takes one or two. In the East the same can be said for Charlotte and the Hawks (only in the case that they rebuild, debatable)

i don't know, I hope they are that bad, I guess I don't want to assume it because this is the NBA and things can turn in an instant.

In my head, the worst case realistic scenario is Scott Brooks as Head coach, Jennings signs (or worse Mike Conley >_<), Gordon/Afflalo sign and they manage to have a half decent bench.

Their biggest issue this year is their lack of depth. Lopez, Young, Johnson and RHJ all have positive ORtgs. It's the fact that they have to get subbed out at some points that hurts them. Give them some depth and they aren't mentioned in the same breath as the Lakers and 76ers.

People use the argument that everyone will have cap space so why would people join the Nets.
1) Well one reason will be that they are a great destination for a PG wanting to re-establish value

2) With Lopez down low I imagine they are quite appealing for a shooter like Gordon as well

3)Finally a good reason is that they can sign guys to overpaid 2 year deals, keep interest in the team up and wait until they control their future before taking the step to rebuild, hopefully all the while gaining assets and selling on them high. And if they falter in that attempt they are no worse off than when they started

Call me a pessimist but I think our 2016 pick will be far and away our best pick from the Nets

I'm sorry, i did something I thought I'd never do, i rushed and thought you were talking about this year.  I agree with you
no, you were right.  they aren't climbing over 4-6 teams in the standings this year or the next 2.

take right now for example before looking at future years.  add those 5 wins this season and what happens --> the Nets go from tied for 3rd worst to sole possession of 5th worst.  not exactly climbing out of the basement.

so let's look at future prospects. 
1. JJ is off the books.  unlikely he wants to resign there or that they want him back.   he's not the player he used to be but he's not useless -- just grossly overpaid.  Nets overall get worse with his departure.
2. No draftees this year to add cheap young talent.  no help there.
3. Brook's been pretty healthy this year, an anomaly.  Anyone honestly think he holds up this well each of the next 2 seasons?  I don't .
4. sure, the players suggested as potential signees might sign there on an inflated deal for short term.  OR they will get more modest offers for longer terms with better teams.  No one signs as a FA with one of the worst teams in the league unless they absolutely have to or there's a ridiculous amount of money being offered.  Nets screwed themselves pretty badly -- will a new GM buy into the philosophy of putting the team in financial purgatory by significantly overpaying mediocre/poor FA's?  I don't think that'd garner much support with ownership nor would throwing off the league's pay scale be embraced by other teams.  In any case, if they did this for 2 years while waiting for their own pick to become theirs again (which would suggest they could go in the tank for the 2018-2019 season to reap the rewards of having a high pick they can actually keep), they'll only improve just so much.  maybe a few spots but they won't be sniffing playoffs for years. 

The 2017 and 2018 picks will be lottery picks and they're unprotected.  they are not to be lightly regarded or used as throw-ins for trades which is what I've seen quite a bit of during all the trading proposal frenzy going on here.

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If they buyout Joe/Bargs and/or trade T Young/Bogdanović before the deadline for picks and simple fillers then we are for sure in top 4 of the 2016 draft. That notion alone makes this pick even more valuable. Let's hope the Nets do something like that. They are out of the Playoff race so they might put Lopez on the bench for the last 20 or something games...
it's already practically guaranteed a top 4 pick pre-lottery.  the next team they could possibly pass is Minny and they're 3 wins ahead of the Nets with roughly 30 games to go.  Minny is playing in the West which is having a down year and their roster is better than the Nets.  Minny won't be dropping lower than their current 5th slot.